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Re: Team/League COVID Safety Protocols For 2021

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:18 pm
by pezsez1
Here is a better question for you to answer. Two, actually.

1) Are you being critical enough of yourself for not questioning the right-wing narrative?

2) Do you think my prediction that we won't need vaccine requirements or any restrictions within two years is part of a mainstream narrative?

Re: Team/League COVID Safety Protocols For 2021

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:19 pm
by dd10snoop28
pezsez1 wrote:I honestly don't know what you mean by "mainstream narrative." I get the feeling a narrative was portrayed to you that wouldn't match up with the reality I was living. Frankly, I don't really care, but you're basically asking me if I agree with clouds in the sky.
I don't think my question is as difficult as you are trying to make it out to be. And I don't think the concept of "mainstream narrative" is as difficult of a concept as you are making it out to be.

From google:
"Mainstream" is best described as what dominates the public discourse.
"Narrative" is best described as how the discourse gets framed. This is largely controlled by those who control the narrative which includes but is not limited to: politicians, social influencers, media, global leaders etc...

The mainstream narrative was that only the vaccinated should be afforded certain rights over the last 12 months, and that a certain group of people (those who were both unvaccinated + previously infected) should not be afforded the same rights as the "vaccinated".

There was no need for me to explain that as if it wasn't already quite clear, but alas, there you go.

Re: Team/League COVID Safety Protocols For 2021

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:21 pm
by dd10snoop28
dd10snoop28 wrote:
pezsez1 wrote:
I mean, you are essentially just repeating the main narrative.
Nope, not repeating that narrative, in fact in my next post I make it clear (yet again) that my beliefs in no way, shape or form line up with your little narrative.
Well, I think a good litmus test of not following the narrative is a very specific one.

All of historical science has shown that previous infection of a specific virus is the best inhibitor against subsequent infection of the same virus.

So while all of the world was locking down and granting certain freedoms to the "vaccinated" and excluding the "unvaccinated", did you ever at any point think to challenge the mainstream narrative that the previously infected should be excluded alongside the unvaccinated?

You never wondered: "hmmm, why are the vaccinated being treated better than those who previously got the virus? Doesn't that go against all long-standing understanding of basic virology?"

^^ that's the original context and question just as a reminder.

Re: Team/League COVID Safety Protocols For 2021

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:44 pm
by pezsez1
The mainstream narrative was that only the vaccinated should be afforded certain rights over the last 12 months, and that a certain group of people (those who were both unvaccinated + previously infected) should not be afforded the same rights as the "vaccinated".
See, this is my point.

You look back over the past year and see one solid "narrative" that you think everyone was following. I look back over the same period of time and don't see the same thing.

In my world, last October, we didn't have enough data back yet from clinical trials to even have any meaningful discussions about vaccines. That data wouldn't start trickling in until November. And it wasn't even until springtime that people like me could even be vaccinated.

That winter, the discussions were about people crowding together and spreading virus during the holiday season. The "narrative," I guess, was about vigilance... social distancing, zoom calls, quarantine pods, etc.

The next phase of "the narrative" was about how to distribute the vaccines... first-come vs. tiered approaches.

The early summer phase of the narrative was all about the walking back of expectations as Delta spread around the world.

Talks of vaccine mandates as part of a meaningful national discussion are pretty recent.... last two months, maybe? Hardly a year-long "narrative" about taking people's rights away, unless you're trying to lump in much earlier conversations about whether businesses should lock down or stay open, but restrictions came and went throughout the pandemic to varying degrees all over the country and that failed to remain as a centralized discussion.

That's why I struggle with your talk of "a narrative." Lots happened over the past year and -- speaking for myself and my friends -- we definitely weren't fixated on a message with any fixed source or path of continuity.




All that said, I don't want my questions to you to get lost in the shuffle. I've answered your questions, so you should answer these:

1) Are you being critical enough of yourself for not questioning the right-wing narrative? (I ask this because your views on all of this are somewhat predictable, yet you don't seem to be holding yourself accountable for your lack of flexible thinking.)

2) Do you think my prediction that we won't need vaccine requirements or any restrictions within two years is part of a mainstream narrative? (From where I sit, I tend to be an outlier among my liberal family and friends.)

Re: Team/League COVID Safety Protocols For 2021

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:53 pm
by dd10snoop28
pezsez1 wrote:
The mainstream narrative was that only the vaccinated should be afforded certain rights over the last 12 months, and that a certain group of people (those who were both unvaccinated + previously infected) should not be afforded the same rights as the "vaccinated".
See, this is my point.

You look back over the past year and see one solid "narrative" that you think everyone was following. I look back over the same period of time and don't see the same thing.

In my world, last October, we didn't have enough data back yet from clinical trials to even have any meaningful discussions about vaccines. That data wouldn't start trickling in until November. And it wasn't even until springtime that people like me could even be vaccinated.

That winter, the discussions were about people crowding together and spreading virus during the holiday season. The "narrative," I guess, was about vigilance... social distancing, zoom calls, quarantine pods, etc.

The next phase of "the narrative" was about how to distribute the vaccines... first-come vs. tiered approaches.

The early summer phase of the narrative was all about the walking back of expectations as Delta spread around the world.

Talks of vaccine mandates as part of a meaningful national discussion are pretty recent.... last two months, maybe? Hardly a year-long "narrative" about taking people's rights away, unless you're trying to lump in much earlier conversations about whether businesses should lock down or stay open, but restrictions came and went throughout the pandemic to varying degrees all over the country and that failed to remain as a centralized discussion.

That's why I struggle with your talk of "a narrative." Lots happened over the past year and -- speaking for myself and my friends -- we definitely weren't fixated on a message with any fixed source or path of continuity.




All that said, I don't want my questions to you to get lost in the shuffle. I've answered your questions, so you should answer these:

1) Are you being critical enough of yourself for not questioning the right-wing narrative? (I ask this because your views on all of this are somewhat predictable, yet you don't seem to be holding yourself accountable for your lack of flexible thinking.)

2) Do you think my prediction that we won't need vaccine requirements or any restrictions within two years is part of a mainstream narrative? (From where I sit, I tend to be an outlier among my liberal family and friends.)
I give up.... :roll:

For anybody else it's a very simple concept. The mainstream narrative has made it about vax vs. unvax. Never has the natural immunity entered the public discourse. If you really were as critical-thinking as you claim to be, then you would have noticed this. Your large claim is that you don't follow the mainstream narrative. If you couldn't see that there was something wrong with the public discourse not including natural immunity then that is a good indicator that you are only following what you are told and not thinking critically..

That is my last post. I think that is simple enough for most people to understand.

Re: Team/League COVID Safety Protocols For 2021

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:08 pm
by pezsez1
People in my circles have been talking and reading about the benefits of natural immunity the whole time.

Re: Team/League COVID Safety Protocols For 2021

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:47 am
by dd10snoop28
Just a quick reminder. If you are between 0-24yrs old then you have .00003 chance of dying from COVID. That comes out to 1 in 30,000.

Simaletanously, Israel is deciding whether they should disallow those under 24 from exercising for a week after getting the shot. Why, you ask?

Because recent studies out of Israel are showing negative impact on those in that age range: "In our study, definite or probable cases of #myocarditis among persons between the ages of 16 & 19 years within 21 days after the 2nd vaccine dose occurred in 1 of 6637 male recipients"

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/N ... tured_home

Re: Team/League COVID Safety Protocols For 2021

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:15 am
by pezsez1
Simaletanously, Israel is deciding whether they should disallow those under 24 from exercising for a week after getting the shot. Why, you ask?

Because recent studies out of Israel are showing negative impact on those in that age range: "In our study, definite or probable cases of #myocarditis among persons between the ages of 16 & 19 years within 21 days after the 2nd vaccine dose occurred in 1 of 6637 male recipients"
This is good information! Thankfully, not only is myocarditis rare, but this study found the vast majority of cases to be mild. I look forward to the scientific debate over whether delaying exercise for a week is recommended.

Important to note, though, that these same scientists don't seem to be questioning the importance of vaccinating young people. One possible reason: During March 2020–January 2021, the risk for myocarditis was 0.146% among patients with COVID-19... that's compared to the smaller 0.02% risk of myocarditis from vaccines among young men.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm

Re: Team/League COVID Safety Protocols For 2021

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:18 pm
by dd10snoop28
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBxiLGuXMAM ... =4096x4096

This is Vermont's COVID cases.

Remember:
-Vermont has ~90% of everyone over 12 at least partially vaccinated.
->99% of 65+ is at least partially vaccinated.
-Cases are significantly higher than they’ve ever been.

"pandemic of the unvaccinated"

Re: Team/League COVID Safety Protocols For 2021

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:28 pm
by UOducksTK1
dd10snoop28 wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBxiLGuXMAM ... =4096x4096

This is Vermont's COVID cases.

Remember:
-Vermont has ~90% of everyone over 12 at least partially vaccinated.
->99% of 65+ is at least partially vaccinated.
-Cases are significantly higher than they’ve ever been.

"pandemic of the unvaccinated"
It's because they don't have enough boosters. More boosters!

Re: Team/League COVID Safety Protocols For 2021

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:35 am
by OregonFan4Life
To continue the convo about Rolovich, I don’t care about him losing his job, but I know a lot of people that have been put on unpaid leave due to not getting the vaccine, and this is horrible because if they quit they lose their PERS (one is literally one year from retirement) and because they aren’t laid off they can’t collect unemployment. I even know family with 4 kids (including a baby) where both parents are now on unpaid leave and are looking to sell their house. The fact that people are celebrating these policies shows me how far this country has fallen.

I literally also know a person that has received a medical exemption from the covid vaccine from a licensed doctor because of a history of adverse reactions to vaccines and she even was put on unpaid leave. It’s not just religious exemptions being denied (which we were told would be a legit exemption, lies), but also medical exemptions too.

And before you call me anti-Vaccine, I have received the covid vaccine myself.

Re: Team/League COVID Safety Protocols For 2021

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:50 am
by UofDuck
I have next to zero law experience other than sleeping at a Holiday Inn, but I suspect he’ll get a decent payout because they are forcing him to adhere to a controversial law that didn’t exist when he signed. I suspect there are some stipulations in his agreement about him having to adhere to applicable laws, but his application of religious exception to avoid being forced to take medication is going to hard to fight. This could get interesting if WAZZU fights him.


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Re: Team/League COVID Safety Protocols For 2021

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:52 am
by Alan
As far as Rolovich, he had a choice and he made it along with his assistants and 127 Washington State Troopers…. All out of work, their choice. I haven’t seen what kind of firings Oregon has had yet….?? Any help?

Re: Team/League COVID Safety Protocols For 2021

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:05 am
by dd10snoop28
Alan wrote:As far as Rolovich, he had a choice and he made it along with his assistants and 127 Washington State Troopers…. All out of work, their choice. I haven’t seen what kind of firings Oregon has had yet….?? Any help?
No, it is the government's choice to enforce absurd requirements of vaccination when the efficacy of said vaccines wanes to 20% within 6 months. And also requiring it on a healthy individual who has a 1 in 25,000 chance of dying from said disease.

Additionally, I also would recommend you expanding your field of thought. These mandates have impacted tens to hundreds of millions of Americans. It is not just some local government mandate. Look at the last month where we had 4.3% of the workforce quit their job - the highest percentage in American history - and/or forced out due to vaccine mandates.

This is not normal. Don't make the solution worse than the problem.

Re: Team/League COVID Safety Protocols For 2021

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:41 am
by OregonFan4Life
Alan wrote:As far as Rolovich, he had a choice and he made it along with his assistants and 127 Washington State Troopers…. All out of work, their choice. I haven’t seen what kind of firings Oregon has had yet….?? Any help?
“Their choice”? That doesn’t make sense cause when all of these now unemployed people took their jobs this was not a part of an agreement, to enforce them to put something in THEIR bodies they don’t feel comfortable receiving. Do you really see this as “their choice”?