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oregontrack wrote:if you're referring to what i said about lillard, the situations are quite different. i'm not positive derozan is an all star next year in the west, i consider him closer to CJ than dame on the talent spectrum. (just wanted to clarify, if that indeed was what you were referring to)

i like the trade for both sides. i hope leonard pulls his head out of his ass and participates at his usual high level this year, toronto could be quite good.
You didn't say it only about Lillard, you also said it about McCollum, and really, I can't think of a more parallel situation than Toronto, a team who has a hard time signing free agents and who signed their guard to a max deal the exact same time as McCollum for nearly the exact same amount.

A few quotes by way of a refresher:

"your ideas are so outside the norm -- not a single GM in the association would have let lillard or 3J walk away, everyone would have signed them to those deals -- it's kind of hard to respond to, honestly."

"we sure do know what other GM's would have done. we have 30 years of free agency history to tell us that everybody locks up their talented young franchise point guard. for a team that cannot attract talent, you don't throw away young all stars when they fall to you in the draft and want to be here.

like i said, i can live with all your criticisms save the ones you go after extending lillard and 3J. i share many of those same criticisms. i criticize olshey for TRYING (and thankfully failing) to offer a max to chandler parsons. but balking at 3J and especially lillard is absurd to the point of lunacy.
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Ujiri just stated that DeRozan is the best player ever to play for the Raptors (sorry, Vince!). He was an All Star guard, and he badly wanted to be in Toronto and was signed for the next three years, but the GM just threw him away for a one-year rental on a guy who doesn't want to be there and might even sit out part of the season. Heck, he even paid a draft pick to make that deal happen. Absurd to the point of lunacy! :lol:
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The big differences I see are the ages, 32 and 28 for Lowry Derozan and 28/26 for Dame/CJ. Those few years make a huge difference when talking about the lengths of the contracts and the windows to win.
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i'm just not seeing the parallel. toronto did not give up on derozan in order to immediately start a rebuild, they made a trade that improved them significantly. they feel they can be a contender and they felt they had an opportunity to make a championship move -- whether it pays off is another matter. the blazers haven't been in "contender" status since the clinton adminitration, nor was a top 5 overall player and probably the best 2-way player in the game readily available through trade in order to make these two scenarios mesh.

those quotes you re-posted all concern extending contracts to a pair of players (lillard and mccollum) coming off rookie deals that the organization -- at the time and still do -- felt were franchise building blocks for future contention. rookie deal extensions with players who had not reached their peak are quite a bit different than a player who had just concluded his 9th season. it's likely ownership came to the same conclusion fans had, that the derozan raptors have already reached their ceiling.
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I'm watching, "Rip City Mornings" and in the background I see a Trail Blazers, Mt. Rushmore, consisting of, Clyde Drexler, Rasheed Wallace, Damian Lillard & Bill Walton. That's fine, not completely different than mine: Walton, Dr. Jack , Clyde & Lillard. What say you?
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a little surprised on sheed. i always loved sheed, but he was very polarizing and as good as he was here he only made 2 all star appearances as a blazer and he won his championship in detroit. not sure that really qualifies for a mt rushmore spot? by comparison (at the same position), lamarcus was a 4-time all star (in pdx) and is considerably higher on several notable portland statistical benchmarks.

wicks, lucas, and roy all had more AS appearances in a blazer uniform (though i concede AS appearances are not the end-all).
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oregontrack wrote:a little surprised on sheed. i always loved sheed, but he was very polarizing and as good as he was here he only made 2 all star appearances as a blazer and he won his championship in detroit. not sure that really qualifies for a mt rushmore spot? by comparison (at the same position), lamarcus was a 4-time all star (in pdx) and is considerably higher on several notable portland statistical benchmarks.

wicks, lucas, and roy all had more AS appearances in a blazer uniform (though i concede AS appearances are not the end-all).
Now, I'm certainly not here telling you what goes into creating a Mt. Rushmore, just following along with your thought of what goes into the choices. I'd say that it shouldn't be quantitative. That's just too dry. There needs to be personal preference. You can have some criteria, but emotional reasoning is allowed. Wicks has always been a fascination to me, from his days as a Bruin through his days as a Blazer.
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https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/inde ... er_wi.html

Predicting the success of NBA teams in the summer is an inexact science. But as the 2017-18 NBA season draws closer, the prognosticators seem to be reaching similar conclusions regarding the Portland Trail Blazers.

In July, SportsInsights.com picked the Blazers to finish ninth in the Western Conference with an over/under of 40.5 wins. ESPN's Kevin Pelton in August pegged the Blazers to win 43.8 games and finish 10th in the West. Last week, the oddsmakers at the Bovada Sportsbook in Las Vegas gave the Blazers 200-1 line to win the NBA title, the 10th shortest odds among Western Conference teams.

Training camp begins in less than a month, but the outsider view of the Blazers remains largely unchanged. Portland is pegged to finish in the bottom half of the West as one of a handful of teams fighting for the final playoff spot.

The Westgate Las Vegas SuperBook on Tuesday released over/unders for all 30 NBA teams. Portland's line is set at 42.5, the eighth most wins in the West.
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Merganzer wrote:I'm watching, "Rip City Mornings" and in the background I see a Trail Blazers, Mt. Rushmore, consisting of, Clyde Drexler, Rasheed Wallace, Damian Lillard & Bill Walton. That's fine, not completely different than mine: Walton, Dr. Jack , Clyde & Lillard. What say you?


I would trade Lillard for Terry Porter. Damian is probably a better individual player than Terry, but Porter played better in the playoffs when it counted, and I think he would fit in better with the other guys on the Rushmore team if they were all on the floor at once.

I think the prognosticators have it about right. Unless somehow the three point shooting just blows everyone away, I see the Blazers struggling to make the playoffs and losing in the first round. SSDY.
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Merganzer wrote:
oregontrack wrote:a little surprised on sheed. i always loved sheed, but he was very polarizing and as good as he was here he only made 2 all star appearances as a blazer and he won his championship in detroit. not sure that really qualifies for a mt rushmore spot? by comparison (at the same position), lamarcus was a 4-time all star (in pdx) and is considerably higher on several notable portland statistical benchmarks.

wicks, lucas, and roy all had more AS appearances in a blazer uniform (though i concede AS appearances are not the end-all).
Now, I'm certainly not here telling you what goes into creating a Mt. Rushmore, just following along with your thought of what goes into the choices. I'd say that it shouldn't be quantitative. That's just too dry. There needs to be personal preference. You can have some criteria, but emotional reasoning is allowed. Wicks has always been a fascination to me, from his days as a Bruin through his days as a Blazer.
Ok then, Brian Grant and Lucas over Wallace.
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Great stuff. It's really hard, well, actually it's impossible, to come up with a unanimous "Rushmore", and that's good. Hard to say that Grant doesn't deserve a place. Walton, every chance he gets insists that he owes everything to Lucas. How about Bobby Gross? There is a very good argument to be made that he was the MVP of the '77 Finals against the 76ers with his defense on Dr. J, and his constant motion on offense wearing Dr. J out. I will never vote against TP. He toiled in the shadow of Drexler in the backcourt, could hit the 3, was certainly a better defender than Lillard
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https://www.blazersedge.com/2018/8/7/17 ... ational-tv

The NBA is set to release their slate of Christmas and MLK Day games, along with the opening week’s national TV schedule on Wednesday afternoon. But, as usual, leaks of the schedule are coming out early and ESPN’s Chris Haynes is reporting that the Portland Trail Blazers will be playing on Christmas Day on the road against the Utah Jazz.
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just saw this, should be a good game with Dame vs Donovan Mitchell and Nurk vs Rudy too
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the NBA announced some match ups for the first week and Blazers first game is Lebron and the lakers coming to town. Blazers got long winning streaks of winning their season home opener and winning streak vs the lakers, as a Lebron fan and the blazers I'm excited for this game. Lebron doesn't have a great record in Portland and doesn't average as many points in Portland as most other cities.
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thomas time wrote:the NBA announced some match ups for the first week and Blazers first game is Lebron and the lakers coming to town. Blazers got long winning streaks of winning their season home opener and winning streak vs the lakers, as a Lebron fan and the blazers I'm excited for this game. Lebron doesn't have a great record in Portland and doesn't average as many points in Portland as most other cities.
Yeah, just put Ed Davis on him and shut him down. Oh wait...never mind. I'm sure Collins will do fine.
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Phalanx wrote:
thomas time wrote:the NBA announced some match ups for the first week and Blazers first game is Lebron and the lakers coming to town. Blazers got long winning streaks of winning their season home opener and winning streak vs the lakers, as a Lebron fan and the blazers I'm excited for this game. Lebron doesn't have a great record in Portland and doesn't average as many points in Portland as most other cities.
Yeah, just put Ed Davis on him and shut him down. Oh wait...never mind. I'm sure Collins will do fine.
Ed Davis wouldn’t be guarding him anyway :lol:
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