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#15 Mich. St. @ ASU, 9/8/18, 7:45 p.m. PDT, ESPN

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:33 pm
by Greenblood
Nice opportunity for the conference to get a good win vs. a ranked B1G team here.

Re: #15 Mich. St. @ ASU, 9/8/18, 7:45 p.m. PDT, ESPN

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:41 pm
by StevensTechU
If both teams play the same as week one, ASU comes out on top. Really would be great for the Pac.

Re: #15 Mich. St. @ ASU, 9/8/18, 7:45 p.m. PDT, ESPN

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 4:23 pm
by karlhungis
I am not firm for Herm. I think MSU smokes them.

Re: #15 Mich. St. @ ASU, 9/8/18, 7:45 p.m. PDT, ESPN

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:14 pm
by Duck07
karlhungis wrote:I am not firm for Herm. I think MSU smokes them.
I'm not either but I think they've just got such a good QB-WR combo that it's going to be tough for MSU to hold up all game long.

Re: #15 Mich. St. @ ASU, 9/8/18, 7:45 p.m. PDT, ESPN

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:09 pm
by StevensTechU
Duck07 wrote:
karlhungis wrote:I am not firm for Herm. I think MSU smokes them.
I'm not either but I think they've just got such a good QB-WR combo that it's going to be tough for MSU to hold up all game long.
Eno Benjamin is also one hell of a RB. I don’t know any team in the conference with a better QB-WR-RB combination than ASU.

Re: #15 Mich. St. @ ASU, 9/8/18, 7:45 p.m. PDT, ESPN

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:30 pm
by Merganzer
Michigan State grabs the first lead, 3-0, 13:13 in the 2nd quarter.

Re: #15 Mich. St. @ ASU, 9/8/18, 7:45 p.m. PDT, ESPN

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:36 pm
by greenyellow
ASU pulls off the upset, winning 16-13 on a FG as time expired. Another big non-con win for the Pac-12.

Re: #15 Mich. St. @ ASU, 9/8/18, 7:45 p.m. PDT, ESPN

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:41 pm
by gogreen55
I guess Herm played to win the game.


Re: #15 Mich. St. @ ASU, 9/8/18, 7:45 p.m. PDT, ESPN

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:33 am
by Duck24
Is MSU good or was this two “meh” teams battling it out? Neither team has looked remotely impressive two weeks in. Preseason polls made this game an upset.

Re: #15 Mich. St. @ ASU, 9/8/18, 7:45 p.m. PDT, ESPN

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:19 am
by UofDuck
Duck24 wrote:Is MSU good or was this two “meh” teams battling it out? Neither team has looked remotely impressive two weeks in. Preseason polls made this game an upset.
MSU looks very pedestrian, but what makes that puzzling is they return something like 18 starters. Maybe they read too many of their own press clippings this summer and coasted.

Re: #15 Mich. St. @ ASU, 9/8/18, 7:45 p.m. PDT, ESPN

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:34 am
by ducks5ever
ASU could be a problem team for years to come? That was some pretty good D and Herm is going to build on that with his own classes....Perhaps Texas could hire Herm away......

Re: #15 Mich. St. @ ASU, 9/8/18, 7:45 p.m. PDT, ESPN

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:14 am
by Duck07
So who else believes that Herm did the right thing by making the last snap a "win or overtime" play? Anyone think he should have kicked it on 3rd down in case of a bad snap or hold and then let the defense take the chance? I don't know if anyone has done a study on it but it does seem like the likelihood of the bad snap/hold seems to be awfully low based on all the other snaps/holds throughout games and how often they get bobbled.

Re: #15 Mich. St. @ ASU, 9/8/18, 7:45 p.m. PDT, ESPN

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:30 pm
by karlhungis
I can't believe they won. I now have to be firm for Herm until proven otherwise.

Re: #15 Mich. St. @ ASU, 9/8/18, 7:45 p.m. PDT, ESPN

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:38 pm
by lukeyrid13
Duck07 wrote:So who else believes that Herm did the right thing by making the last snap a "win or overtime" play? Anyone think he should have kicked it on 3rd down in case of a bad snap or hold and then let the defense take the chance? I don't know if anyone has done a study on it but it does seem like the likelihood of the bad snap/hold seems to be awfully low based on all the other snaps/holds throughout games and how often they get bobbled.
They only were able to run the clock down to 4 seconds because they ran it on 3rd down. Had they kicked it on 3rd down, there would have been around 45-50 seconds left so it wouldn't make sense to settle for a field goal in that scenario.

Re: #15 Mich. St. @ ASU, 9/8/18, 7:45 p.m. PDT, ESPN

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:12 pm
by Duck07
lukeyrid13 wrote:
Duck07 wrote:So who else believes that Herm did the right thing by making the last snap a "win or overtime" play? Anyone think he should have kicked it on 3rd down in case of a bad snap or hold and then let the defense take the chance? I don't know if anyone has done a study on it but it does seem like the likelihood of the bad snap/hold seems to be awfully low based on all the other snaps/holds throughout games and how often they get bobbled.
They only were able to run the clock down to 4 seconds because they ran it on 3rd down. Had they kicked it on 3rd down, there would have been around 45-50 seconds left so it wouldn't make sense to settle for a field goal in that scenario.
I know that, which is why I'm asking who is more a fan of the zero sum situation which Herm went with or the give yourself an out and rest on your defense strategy. Further, if you do have a bad snap on 3rd down with 38 seconds, the clock keeps running and you line up and try again.