Offensive Playcalling is NOT the problem

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GrantDuck wrote:Agree to disagree.

Play calling cost us severely against WSU and Utah. Examples are too numerous to count, but primarily lack of counters to obvious blitz situations.

Predictable plays and tendencies. (The 2 slants to Mitchell in particular were god awful calls).

Arroyo needs to be gone or give up play calling duties.
We ran screens dude to counter their blitzes. Herbert either misfired or the ball was tipped. Plus, Herbert is terrible at picking up on blitzes. Dude knows it's coming and still doesn't adjust.

Slants were good calls, especially when LBs are blitzing. We scored a TD on a slant.
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BTW, it sounds like CMC is adamant about running this offense:
https://www.ducksports.com/sports/20181 ... cus-arroyo
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Not exactly what was hoping for. I was hoping would hear something about working or fixing the problem. It reminds me of the cliché trying to fix a square peg into a round hole. They want to force that peg into the round whole while trying to maintain the square peg mentality. If had a round peg it might fit into the round hole better.
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Good analysis by Max Browne of what works and what doesn't for both Oregon and Utah on 3rd down:
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Playcalling is not THE problem but it still is A problem.
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FlDuckFan wrote:Playcalling is not THE problem but it still is A problem.
Bingo. Part of it is talent, part of it is execution, and part of it is playcalling. Good playcalling can help make up for some of those other issues but it won't be the complete solution.
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Yet, we still have the #2 scoring offense in the conference. The genius that is Chip is 12th.
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Phenom wrote:Yet, we still have the #2 scoring offense in the conference. The genius that is Chip is 12th.
What if you only took pac-12 play, would we still have the #2 scoring offense?

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Plenty of blame to go around according to a scathing piece by Ken Woody.

https://www.ducksports.com/sports/20181 ... chalkboard
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maxduck wrote:Plenty of blame to go around according to a scathing piece by Ken Woody.

https://www.ducksports.com/sports/20181 ... chalkboard
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Phenom wrote:Yet, we still have the #2 scoring offense in the conference. The genius that is Chip is 12th.
You know that is a logical fallacy you are making, especially as it relates to your argument about how great our play-calling is.
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Chip Kelly with Justin Herbert? Dear lord, that would be amazing!

Ain't happening, though. And that's not a bad thing... Cristoball is trying to play a different brand of football with leftovers from Helfrich's final classes. The near miss against Stanford and the win over Washington gave lots of reason for optimism, but what we're seeing now is pretty much what all the experts expected.

Give Cristoball a couple years to get his players.

All that said... I'm definitely not sold on Arroyo. In college football, choosing to ignore creativity and misdirection is basically choosing to leave money on the table. We can still be physical while also keeping opponents guessing.
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I'm not sold on arroyo, and he's not an elite OC

But the issues aren't really with playcalling imo, they're with personnel
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Duckenstein wrote:I'm not sold on arroyo, and he's not an elite OC

But the issues aren't really with playcalling imo, they're with personnel
This seems to be the crux of the problem; wrong play calling for the players on the team.
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Maybe so, but elite OCs don't grow on trees

I'd love to see an upgrade there, but it's not a guarantee if we ditch Arroyo
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Duckenstein wrote:I'm not sold on arroyo, and he's not an elite OC

But the issues aren't really with playcalling imo, they're with personnel
This seems to be the crux of the problem; wrong play calling for the players on the team.
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