Pac-12 Player Strike

[ducks5ever]

Not smart on Jevon Holland. But of course the people of my generation do not see beyond what is right in front of their nose. Now if I were an NFL team, I'm not going to be particularly inclined to hire someone who has a history of leading social justice movements vs. the team/league in the locker room. See exhibit Colin Kapernick

[Quietduck]

Talk about killing the goose that lays the golden egg. What happens if the schools that they are attending go back to having all intermural sports? Many academic professers have been jealous of the sports programs and the money they get and would vote to kill athletic scholarships in a heartbeat. At that point there goes their scholarship, food, room and stipend. The professors would have a point because it's clear that these people are not negotiating as students but as professionals. For those who want a cut of the revenue does that mean they are willing to pay when the athletics are in negative territory? If you want the plus you have to suffer the minus as well. The NFL might find a few of the athletes but most would be lost in the years before the NFL could create any kind of minor league structure.

[StevensTechU]

Not smart on Jevon Holland. But of course the people of my generation do not see beyond what is right in front of their nose. Now if I were an NFL team, I'm not going to be particularly inclined to hire someone who has a history of leading social justice movements vs. the team/league in the locker room. See exhibit Colin Kapernick

Retaliation of this sort is a bigger problem than being pro-collective bargaining, IMO.

Mentally, I'm actually going to treat this as a death knell. I don't expect a season now. It is what it is.

[Duck07]

There is a rubber band that's getting ready to break and when you consider just how many scholarship athletes benefit as a whole from the current system I don't think that's worth the risk of destroying the current system. If you remove the Revenue-Generating Sports/Athletes to a minor-league system then all of those non-revenue generating athletes miss out.

The value of an education (especially one that is largely debt-free) is such a major boon to any young person but especially those of color. It just feels self-defeating rather than a progressive change like demanding a salary cap on Coaching Salaries and anything above must be matched with funds going back to X-Y-Z.

[StevensTechU]

There is a rubber band that's getting ready to break and when you consider just how many scholarship athletes benefit as a whole from the current system I don't think that's worth the risk of destroying the current system. If you remove the Revenue-Generating Sports/Athletes to a minor-league system then all of those non-revenue generating athletes miss out.

The value of an education (especially one that is largely debt-free) is such a major boon to any young person but especially those of color. It just feels self-defeating rather than a progressive change like demanding a salary cap on Coaching Salaries and anything above must be matched with funds going back to X-Y-Z.

It's actually going to be athletes of non-revenue sports, which are predominantly non-black, who lose the most. A 4th string defensive tackle is still more valuable than a first string volleyball player in the bigger picture.

[greenyellow]

The leading voices of Oregon seem to be those who are already going to be getting paid next year in the NFL and really have nothing to lose by sitting out (Sewell, Graham, and Holland.)

[Duck07]

There is a rubber band that's getting ready to break and when you consider just how many scholarship athletes benefit as a whole from the current system I don't think that's worth the risk of destroying the current system. If you remove the Revenue-Generating Sports/Athletes to a minor-league system then all of those non-revenue generating athletes miss out.

The value of an education (especially one that is largely debt-free) is such a major boon to any young person but especially those of color. It just feels self-defeating rather than a progressive change like demanding a salary cap on Coaching Salaries and anything above must be matched with funds going back to X-Y-Z.

It's actually going to be athletes of non-revenue sports, which are predominantly non-black, who lose the most. A 4th string defensive tackle is still more valuable than a first string volleyball player in the bigger picture.

I think the value of a degree in the long run is superior to the money that 98% of the players would make as a young-adult out of HS (or even in their Sr year) in a minor-league system that replaces college sports.

I disagree with you on how many people of color participate in the revenue producing sports, especially since we know that most departments don't even operate in the black. Even taking that aside and just calling all FB/BB/WBB programs revenue producing, you still have a high amount of people of color missing out on the opportunity for a college degree.

[Duck07]

The leading voices of Oregon seem to be those who are already going to be getting paid next year in the NFL and really have nothing to lose by sitting out (Sewell, Graham, and Holland.)

They are also the players that in a possible minor-league system are going to get paid relative to their contemporaries who would miss out on an education but only make whatever salary they got during their time. Gee, I wonder what the best way to invest that money would be?

[Quietduck]

For those who think a minor league would be better than college that a look at what baseballs minor leagers get paid.
https://www.sportscasting.com/how-much- ... yers-make/

[buckmarkduck]

For those who think a minor league would be better than college that a look at what baseballs minor leagers get paid.
https://www.sportscasting.com/how-much- ... yers-make/

The issue is if you pay the football players, you can't fund other sports. So they care about themselves, but not the track athletes, or really anyone else. They all work hard.

Again allow them to make money right now off their likeness, but demanding 6 figures is a joke.

[greenyellow]

The whole revenue sharing stuff is a non-starter because that's an NCAA-level decision that the Pac-12 has no real power over.

[StevensTechU]

The whole revenue sharing stuff is a non-starter because that's an NCAA-level decision that the Pac-12 has no real power over.

As is the issue of getting extra eligibility

[greenyellow]

This is the group that is pushing for all these changes.
https://www.ncpanow.org/about/about-the-ncpa-president

[StevensTechU]

Full text for quoting:

#WeAreUnited
BY PLAYERS OF THE PAC-12
AUG 2 2020
PHOTO BYJOE MURPHY/GETTY IMAGES; ILLUSTRATION BY REBECCA ESTRELLA/THE PLAYERS' TRIBUNE

To ensure future generations of college athletes will be treated fairly, #WeAreUnited.

Because NCAA sports exploit college athletes physically, economically and academically, and also disproportionately harm Black college athletes, #WeAreUnited.

In rejecting the NCAA’s claim that #BlackLivesMatter while also systematically exploiting Black athletes nationwide, #WeAreUnited.

Because we are being asked to play college sports in a pandemic in a system without enforced health and safety standards, and without transparency about COVID cases on our teams, the risks to ourselves, our families, and our communities, #WeAreUnited.

Because we must have adequate COVID testing to help protect our health, #WeAreUnited.

Because we are prohibited from securing representation while being asked to sign documents that may serve as liability waivers, #WeAreUnited.

Because we should not be stuck with sports-related medical expenses, including COVID-19 related expenses, #WeAreUnited.

Because any player who does not feel comfortable playing this season should be free to opt out without losing their scholarship or any eligibility, #WeAreUnited.

Because immoral rules would punish us for receiving basic necessities or compensation for the use of our names, images and likenesses, while many of us and our families are suffering economically from the COVID-19 fallout, #WeAreUnited.

Because we should be included in equitably sharing the revenue our talents generate, especially in a pandemic, #WeAreUnited.

Because unjust rules prevent the 98% of college football and basketball players who won’t go pro from capitalizing economically on what would otherwise be the most valuable years of our lives, including many Black players from low-income homes, #WeAreUnited.

Because eliminating lavish salaries and facility expenditures to preserve all sports must be prioritized, #WeAreUnited.

Because the NCAA has failed us and we are prepared to ensure that our conference treats us fairly whether or not it continues its NCAA membership, #WeAreUnited.

In forming alliances with college athletes from other conferences to unite with us for change, #WeAreUnited.

#WeAreUnited in our commitment to secure fair treatment for college athletes. Due to COVID-19 and other serious concerns, we will opt-out of Pac-12 fall camp and game participation unless the following demands are guaranteed in writing by our conference to protect and benefit both scholarship athletes and walk-ons.

Pac-12 Football Unity Demands
To Protect and Benefit Both Scholarship and Walk-On Athletes

I. Health & Safety Protections
COVID-19 Protections
Allow option not to play during the pandemic without losing athletics eligibility or spot on our team’s roster.
Prohibit/void COVID-19 agreements that waive liability.
Mandatory Safety Standards, Including COVID-19 Measures
Player-approved health and safety standards enforced by a third party selected by players to address COVID-19, as well as serious injury, abuse and death.
II. Protect All Sports
Preserve All Existing Sports by Eliminating Excessive Expenditures
Larry Scott, administrators, and coaches to voluntarily and drastically reduce excessive pay.
End performance/academic bonuses.
End lavish facility expenditures and use some endowment funds to preserve all sports.*
*As an example, Stanford University should reinstate all sports discontinued by tapping into their $27.7 billion endowment.

III. End Racial Injustice in College Sports and Society
Form a permanent civic-engagement task force made up of our leaders, experts of our choice, and university and conference administrators to address outstanding issues such as racial injustice in college sports and in society.
In partnership with the Pac-12, 2% of conference revenue would be directed by players to support financial aid for low-income Black students, community initiatives, and development programs for college athletes on each campus.
Form annual Pac-12 Black College Athlete Summit with guaranteed representation of at least three athletes of our choice from every school.
IV. Economic Freedom and Equity
Guaranteed Medical Expense Coverage
Medical insurance selected by players for sports-related medical conditions, including COVID- 19 illness, to cover six years after college athletics eligibility ends.
Name, Image, and Likeness Rights & Representation
The freedom to secure representation, receive basic necessities from any third party, and earn money for use of our name, image, and likeness rights.
Fair Market Pay, Rights, & Freedoms
Distribute 50% of each sport’s total conference revenue evenly among athletes in their respective sports.
Six-year athletic scholarships to foster undergraduate and graduate degree completion.
Elimination of all policies and practices restricting or deterring our freedom of speech, our ability to fully participate in charitable work, and our freedom to participate in campus activities outside of mandatory athletics participation.
Ability of players of all sports to transfer one time without punishment, and additionally in cases of abuse or serious negligence.
Ability to complete eligibility after participating in a pro draft if player goes undrafted and foregoes professional participation within seven days of the draft.
Due process rights
Players of the Pac-12

[Quietduck]

When the schools drop scholarship football and the players end up in the minor leagues that will be created by the NFL. Those scholarships and the visibility that went with them will seem like a great deal compared to what they will be payed. Baseball has it's multi millionaires top but those those are only the smallest amount of players in "pro" ball. Just picture a system with just half as many statiums and places being built from scratch. They will pay the players peanuts and not at all during off season and the players will take it because it will be the only way to get to the "big' league and the real money. Actually, come to think about it, it will be a lot like the NFL in the 1970's with players finding jobs as realtors or car salemen in the off season to support their football habit.