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Re: Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:04 am
by squintsdd
Really this should've been what happened when it was announced that ucla and usc were leaving. The Pac and ACC should've come together to form a new conference with east and west divisions. I'm genuinely surprised the ACC brought in any Pac schools at this point in the game.
Re: Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:05 am
by UOducksTK1
I can defend Oregon's travel schedule in most sports because there's 3 other west coast teams... But Cal/Stanford? It's a terrible travel schedule. And at least we go to midwest... ACC is basically all east coast.
I know the Big 12 isn't going to be prestigious but that would at least make more sense in many ways for them. I digress..
Re: Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:19 am
by UofDuck
pezsez1 wrote:Very thankful this morning for Uncle Phil and 25+ years of intensely marketing the UofO. It's really the reason why we're not heading to the Mountain West today.
Amen. Preach!
Re: Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:21 am
by Duck07
Phalanx wrote:Probably another reason why OSU and WSU want to stick in the Pac and collect that residual money. I'm guessing they will only join the MWC as a last resort.
It would seem the best financial move is to play 1-year as a 2-team PAC in order to collect that money coming in, right? Then join the MWC in 25-26. I'm sure they could even do some kind of scheduling where they start playing more of their games against MWC schools in 24-25.
The financial boon that OSU/WSU would receive would also seemingly take a big chunk out of their debt from their stadium projects, which would help them ride this wave out financially in the short-term.
I don't know enough about the specifics of it all, but if that above understanding is largely correct it would seem like the most prudent options for the beavs and cougs.
Re: Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 11:10 am
by DuckMastaFunk
Duck07 wrote:Phalanx wrote:Probably another reason why OSU and WSU want to stick in the Pac and collect that residual money. I'm guessing they will only join the MWC as a last resort.
It would seem the best financial move is to play 1-year as a 2-team PAC in order to collect that money coming in, right? Then join the MWC in 25-26. I'm sure they could even do some kind of scheduling where they start playing more of their games against MWC schools in 24-25.
The financial boon that OSU/WSU would receive would also seemingly take a big chunk out of their debt from their stadium projects, which would help them ride this wave out financially in the short-term.
I don't know enough about the specifics of it all, but if that above understanding is largely correct it would seem like the most prudent options for the beavs and cougs.
I'm sure they can write into the contract with the MW or AAC that WSU and OS keep the lion share of the PAC residuals. I assume it would be a negotiation as to how much they keep. Is the PAC brand and PAC networks enough to entice the Mountain West or AAC to merge without taking ownership of the credits/residuals? Maybe. I suppose it depends if the PAC12 Network is making or losing money.
Re: Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 11:53 am
by UOducksTK1
AAC no longer interested in adding WSU/OSU.
Re: Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 12:37 pm
by DuckzRule
Don't know if this fits here but the Big Ten will very probably stay at 9-conference games, which I'm personally happy about since I want to see which P5 home and home series' Oregon may schedule in the future, in contrast to the 10 game model where the options are much more limited.
https://twitter.com/JamesCrepea/status/ ... 8003860824
Re: Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 4:22 pm
by SuperDuck
UOducksTK1 wrote:AAC no longer interested in adding WSU/OSU.
I have a feeling that if OSU and WSU both have decent seasons this year, as in OSU winning 9-10 games and WSU going at least .500 in the Pac and going to a Bowl game, the Big-12 may have second thoughts.
The SEC and Big-10 both have 18 schools and the Big-12 is now at 16, so if they could bring in 2 winning football programs, that could make the difference.
It would also help if they didn't totally suck at basketball, but OSU has been a major power in baseball for the past several years.
I just don't think it's necessary for them to jump into anything right away unless it's an offer from a Power-5 conference.
Re: Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 8:49 pm
by UOducksTK1
SuperDuck wrote:UOducksTK1 wrote:AAC no longer interested in adding WSU/OSU.
I have a feeling that if OSU and WSU both have decent seasons this year, as in OSU winning 9-10 games and WSU going at least .500 in the Pac and going to a Bowl game, the Big-12 may have second thoughts.
The SEC and Big-10 both have 18 schools and the Big-12 is now at 16, so if they could bring in 2 winning football programs, that could make the difference.
It would also help if they didn't totally suck at basketball, but OSU has been a major power in baseball for the past several years.
I just don't think it's necessary for them to jump into anything right away unless it's an offer from a Power-5 conference.
I don’t think WSU/OSU’s success is much of a factor. They don’t have a strong brand or a TV market to bring in money that adds value to the Big 12.
The only exception is if they joined similarly to SMU where they get little to none of the money pot for a while. But even then, idk…
Re: Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 11:51 am
by UOducksTK1
Re: Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 1:23 pm
by StevensTechU
It's not in Oregon's best interests, but it seems pretty logical and straightforward to me that the Pac-12's future be solely determined by WSU and OSU, including any financial benefits.
Re: Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 1:35 pm
by ducks5ever
Below is pretty much the crux of the article/lawsuit
"The Pac-12 bylaws state that if a school gives notice of withdrawal prior to Aug. 1, 2024, then its “representative to the Pac-12 Board of Directors shall automatically cease to be a member of the Pac-12 Board of Directors and shall cease to have the right to vote on any matter.”
What defines a notice of withdrawal?"
Re: Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 1:50 pm
by pezsez1
Yep, the bylaws seem pretty clear. Lawyers can try to nitpick, but OSU and WSU should be the only two voting board members at this point. Accepting invites to join other conferences waaaaaaaaaaaaay clears the bar for providing notice to leave.
Financially, this is a pebble for Oregon and Washington. Couldn't care less about the future Big 12 or ACC schools.
Re: Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 1:57 pm
by OregonFan4Life
With all of the antics from the Beavs after the Ducks did what’s best for them and joined the B1G, I hope that Oregon never schedules an OOC game with them and tells them to go pound sand. Initially I felt bad for the Beavs but they’ve made it hard for me to feel bad for them lately.
Re: Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 2:26 pm
by bellsduck
Good for them. I hope they win the lawsuit. I think they're playing this very well.