Multiple Duck football players hospitalized after workouts

[lukeyrid13]

At Beaverton when I played football we had this week called "Hell Week" and it was a week during august and this was a summer where all week it was 100 degrees and it was in the back gym which was tiny. Probably 115 degrees of continuous circuit training and half way through we would go out on the turf and run 10 perfect plays and man oh man was that hell. People puking and falling to the ground but never anyone going to the hospital. So these guys had to be seriously out of shape or got dehydrated. Or the workout had to have been out of this world crazy lol.

What year you graduate? I graduated 05 from Beaverton

[Duckattack7]

At Beaverton when I played football we had this week called "Hell Week" and it was a week during august and this was a summer where all week it was 100 degrees and it was in the back gym which was tiny. Probably 115 degrees of continuous circuit training and half way through we would go out on the turf and run 10 perfect plays and man oh man was that hell. People puking and falling to the ground but never anyone going to the hospital. So these guys had to be seriously out of shape or got dehydrated. Or the workout had to have been out of this world crazy lol.

What year you graduate? I graduated 05 from Beaverton

2012 lol I'm a youngin

[scoducks]

Doug seems to be in good spirits

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If you look at Cam's twitter he retweets Tyrell on working hard etc. They seem to agree with everyone that it is blown way over proportion

[OregonDonor]

Have to wonder if these guys will be able to trust coach O going forward. Sure some of these guys may not have been in optimal shape, but the way Rad trains compared to coach O is different. It's not the players fault if they were trained the way Rad saw fit.

I want to see these guys whipped into shape a much as anyone, but doing it the way coach O did it was reckless in my opinion.

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[scoducks]

Have to wonder if these guys will be able to trust coach O going forward. Sure some off these guys may not have been in optimal shape, but the way Rad trains compared to coach O is different. It's not the players fault if they were trained the way Rad saw fit.

I want to see these guys whipped into shape a much as anyone, but doing out the way coach O did it was reckless in much opinion.

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I don't think you should worry about the players not trusting Coach O. If you look at all the players twitters they are defending Coach O and the workouts they are doing. As some of the reporters and other people have said, they were allowed to take breaks. Players are just trying to work hard and #dosomething. I honestly do not think this will become a trust issue.

[huckthefuskies]

The talk seems to be that all the hospitalized dudes were in a group that was forced to do the same workout everyday four days in a row. Up downs from what it sounds like. Rhabdo does seem pretty serious. Kinase (sp?) is something all athletes can have elevated levels of. Sounds like the new coach made the same players keep doing the original workout until they completed it, but the couldn't. Not sure at all what to make of it. This is the first I've heard of Rhabdo, but reading about it I saw some stuff that said "athletes trying to do more than they are ready for". Basically, I wonder if the new coach has always done similar workouts, but our players weren't ready because the prior training was so different.

I take back what I said about the players being sawft. Up downs suck, and I wouldn't want to do them one hour at a time.

Yeah, I really do not know anything about this stuff. .it is disturbing that a professional strength and conditioning coach that is making a damn good salary would let this happen on his watch though. Has he been here for a week? Seems like you have to try to know each players limits if you are making that much money.

[OregonDonor]

Have to wonder if these guys will be able to trust coach O going forward. Sure some off these guys may not have been in optimal shape, but the way Rad trains compared to coach O is different. It's not the players fault if they were trained the way Rad saw fit.

I want to see these guys whipped into shape a much as anyone, but doing out the way coach O did it was reckless in much opinion.

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I don't think you should worry about the players not trusting Coach O. If you look at all the players twitters they are defending Coach O and the workouts they are doing. As some of the reporters and other people have said, they were allowed to take breaks. Players are just trying to work hard and #dosomething. I honestly do not think this will become a trust issue.

Have the players in the hospital tweeted anything yet?

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[chipkellysballs]

How about knocking off the victim blaming.

You have no idea how many breaks Jordan Scott took, whether he tapped out. You don't know how hard the three were pushing themselves. Rhabdo can effect the best or least conditioned because it is relative. It is more prevalent in ultraconditioned triatheletes who have a tendency to push themselves past their limits than relatively sane athletes that know when to back it down. Insulting those kids who worked themselves into the hospital is no better than the OU fans who blamed that girl Joe Mixon punched for having a glass jaw.

Did you stop reading what I said halfway and completely miss the part where I said that I respect them and their decision to push themselves beyond their limits? Rhabdo comes from pushing your body waaaaaay beyond what it's capable of doing. So obviously if you're out of shape your body is going to hit that threshold earlier. This is blown out of proportion, you can't blame a coach for having players that are too competitive to quit. And did you seriously just say that calling people out for being out of shape is no better than blaming a girl who was victim to domestic violence/assault!!?? Dude whaaaaaaaat!?

[scoducks]

Have to wonder if these guys will be able to trust coach O going forward. Sure some off these guys may not have been in optimal shape, but the way Rad trains compared to coach O is different. It's not the players fault if they were trained the way Rad saw fit.

I want to see these guys whipped into shape a much as anyone, but doing out the way coach O did it was reckless in much opinion.

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I don't think you should worry about the players not trusting Coach O. If you look at all the players twitters they are defending Coach O and the workouts they are doing. As some of the reporters and other people have said, they were allowed to take breaks. Players are just trying to work hard and #dosomething. I honestly do not think this will become a trust issue.

Have the players in the hospital tweeted anything yet?

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They have. I posted Doug Brenner's tweet about it a few responses above. He had a joking view on it. Cam McCormick retweeted Tyrell Crosby's tweets about working hard and defending the workouts. Judging by those tweets I do not think there is any animosity from them at all.

[chipkellysballs]

The players don't blame Coach O. Here's some tweets of support of the coach:

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[FlDuckFan]

The players don't blame Coach O. Here's some tweets of support of the coach:

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Very glad the players have come out in support of Coach O. My only concern has been on the health of the ones who went to the hospital.

[OregonDonor]

The players don't blame Coach O. Here's some tweets of support of the coach:

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Good to hear. I'm new to this and am using the tapatalk app and it's not showing the tweets you guys attach. I'll swing over to the regular site to see them.

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[GrandpaDuck]

How about knocking off the victim blaming.

You have no idea how many breaks Jordan Scott took, whether he tapped out. You don't know how hard the three were pushing themselves. Rhabdo can effect the best or least conditioned because it is relative. It is more prevalent in ultraconditioned triatheletes who have a tendency to push themselves past their limits than relatively sane athletes that know when to back it down. Insulting those kids who worked themselves into the hospital is no better than the OU fans who blamed that girl Joe Mixon punched for having a glass jaw.

Did you stop reading what I said halfway and completely miss the part where I said that I respect them and their decision to push themselves beyond their limits? Rhabdo comes from pushing your body waaaaaay beyond what it's capable of doing. So obviously if you're out of shape your body is going to hit that threshold earlier. This is blown out of proportion, you can't blame a coach for having players that are too competitive to quit. And did you seriously just say that calling people out for being out of shape is no better than blaming a girl who was victim to domestic violence/assault!!?? Dude whaaaaaaaat!?

Well here's whaaaaaat.

No I read your whole post, which I mostly agreed with so I responded to the part I bolded. The part where you decided it was their fault for being out of shape with the inference they were lazy. The contradiction is that lazy people seldom get Rhado, so these guys who we're led to believe previously were slackers worked themselves into the hospital thru massive exertion of effort.

When you studied up on Rhabdo you probably saw there is an inverse relationship to being out of shape. It happens much more often to hard driving people who are already in great shape, so why assume these guys so widely accused of being slackers couldn't have eased off enough in the drills?

Regarding the girl punched, we all ridiculed the spin and blame shifting of the OU fans in the Mixon case and then when this happens, many Oregon fans are doing the same blame shifting to the injured parties. Puking is an indicator of being out of shape, Rhabdo is an indicator of extreme effort with no correlation to the current physical condition.

Now I do wish to apologize to you in that, I read your post right after reading the s***-load of stupidty, ignorance and spin on the 247 thread. Your "out of shape" assumption was not even in the ball park of what I was reading over there.

[GrantDuck]

After seeing the players tweets, I do feel a bit better about the situation.

It's not good PR for the new staff close to signing day, but hopefully it blows over and this is a one off thing.

[Groundswell]

Does anybody else think it's weird that 8 volleyball players got Rhabdo. That's gotta be at least half the roster. What kind of workouts were they doing? How could volleyball players be tearing muscle?

Edit: Ok. I had to go read and try to learn more about these Volleyball players. Originally, the college (Texas Western) claims that changes to the usual two per day workouts and fitness test were to blame. The girls had to do activities that were new and in a different rep schedule than they were used to. However, an independent group was hired to study what happened, and their findings haven't been released yet. Here's the money quote from a specialist in the field:

"“This is not that common, and especially uncommon in trained individuals. It’s much more common in people who are untrained and unsupervised,” Vingren said. “It’s a really severe condition that happens very, very rarely. And to eight athletes, they clearly did something, something that maybe they shouldn’t have, because that should not happen.”