Irele Oderinde suspended for a month without pay

[huckthefuskies]

The suspension came from the University not from Taggart. This was a complete over reaction that was necessary to please those who over reacted. It'll help calm the media, reassure parents, and give a wake-up call to all players regarding responsibility. Personally I'm disappointed by the "without pay" part of it but whatever. Three days from now I'm sure everyone will have moved on to the next hot media topic and this will begin to be forgotten.

What will he be doing that deserves pay?

[Alan]

The suspension came from the University not from Taggart. This was a complete over reaction that was necessary to please those who over reacted. It'll help calm the media, reassure parents, and give a wake-up call to all players regarding responsibility. Personally I'm disappointed by the "without pay" part of it but whatever. Three days from now I'm sure everyone will have moved on to the next hot media topic and this will begin to be forgotten.

What will he be doing that deserves pay?

I'm thinking he can be a bouncer any place he wants for a month.....joking... it's a done deal.

[GrandpaDuck]

Or it's the response to three student athletes under his guidance ending up in the hospital with a condition that could lead to acute renal failure and necessitate kidney transplants, among other serious and permanent medical problems. The idiocy of the people on here trying to brush this off as no big deal is comical. This guy is paid a significant sum of money to be an expert in the strength and conditioning field and a week into the job, has three kids in the hospital. It has nothing to do with these guys being out of shape, lazy, soft or whatever other BS reasons people are twisting this to be on the players. The university absolutely had to respond, media shitstorm or not. This guy is lucky he didn't lose his job.

Thank you.

[GrandpaDuck]

I did read that Coach O is not credentialed adequately to be a professional S & C coach. Basically, he was hired without the qualifications for the job. That's pretty damning.

I think the 30 days is too much, the pay loss unnecessary, but the clause of being forced to clear his workouts with the department head is probably the right thing to do.

Should have got a two week suspension and forced to clear his workouts. That would have sent the same message.

If he is unqualified and he hospitalized three students on his first week on the job, how is he still employed? i'm curious where did you read this?

[duck92]

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footba ... l-players/ Hopefully this works. First time I've tried to post a link from my phone. Dennis Dodd article, if the link doesn't work.

[dthomas=ddixon]

Or it's the response to three student athletes under his guidance ending up in the hospital with a condition that could lead to acute renal failure and necessitate kidney transplants, among other serious and permanent medical problems. The idiocy of the people on here trying to brush this off as no big deal is comical. This guy is paid a significant sum of money to be an expert in the strength and conditioning field and a week into the job, has three kids in the hospital. It has nothing to do with these guys being out of shape, lazy, soft or whatever other BS reasons people are twisting this to be on the players. The university absolutely had to respond, media shitstorm or not. This guy is lucky he didn't lose his job.

Thank you.

Agreed.

My concern going forward is that he is actually qualified for this position. The meat head bro-science style of fitness has no place at Oregon. As we've already seen.

[Groundswell]

I did read that Coach O is not credentialed adequately to be a professional S & C coach. Basically, he was hired without the qualifications for the job. That's pretty damning.

I think the 30 days is too much, the pay loss unnecessary, but the clause of being forced to clear his workouts with the department head is probably the right thing to do.

Should have got a two week suspension and forced to clear his workouts. That would have sent the same message.

If he is unqualified and he hospitalized three students on his first week on the job, how is he still employed? i'm curious where did you read this?

Coming from the DT board, so take it with a grain of salt. Coach O has 10 years experience, but not the degrees and training that a S&C coach would probably need to get hired on in an open hiring process. For folks who work in a professional setting, it's the person who gets hired because they know somebody even if their paper resume wouldn't get them an interview. Now that's not an apples to apples comparison. Coach O worked at 3 other colleges in a similar capacity. I don't question that he's qualified personally. But lawsuits don't follow my reasoning.

Edit: plus Rhabdo awareness is fairly new and lots is yet unknown about cases. Lot of people in the industry don't know much about it. This probably wasn't a crazy workout. Just a crazy workout to do with kids coming off a month break.

[snapt]

I did read that Coach O is not credentialed adequately to be a professional S & C coach. Basically, he was hired without the qualifications for the job. That's pretty damning.

I think the 30 days is too much, the pay loss unnecessary, but the clause of being forced to clear his workouts with the department head is probably the right thing to do.

Should have got a two week suspension and forced to clear his workouts. That would have sent the same message.

If he is unqualified and he hospitalized three students on his first week on the job, how is he still employed? i'm curious where did you read this?

Coming from the DT board, so take it with a grain of salt. Coach O has 10 years experience, but not the degrees and training that a S&C coach would probably need to get hired on in an open hiring process. For folks who work in a professional setting, it's the person who gets hired because they know somebody even if their paper resume wouldn't get them an interview. Now that's not an apples to apples comparison. Coach O worked at 3 other colleges in a similar capacity. I don't question that he's qualified personally. But lawsuits don't follow my reasoning.

Edit: plus Rhabdo awareness is fairly new and lots is yet unknown about cases. Lot of people in the industry don't know much about it. This probably wasn't a crazy workout. Just a crazy workout to do with kids coming off a month break.

Everybody in the industry knows about Rhabdo. Coach Rad has an MS in Biomechanics, Coach O doesn't have any related certs according to the CBS sports article?

[greenyellow]

I did read that Coach O is not credentialed adequately to be a professional S & C coach. Basically, he was hired without the qualifications for the job. That's pretty damning.

I think the 30 days is too much, the pay loss unnecessary, but the clause of being forced to clear his workouts with the department head is probably the right thing to do.

Should have got a two week suspension and forced to clear his workouts. That would have sent the same message.

If he is unqualified and he hospitalized three students on his first week on the job, how is he still employed? i'm curious where did you read this?

Coming from the DT board, so take it with a grain of salt. Coach O has 10 years experience, but not the degrees and training that a S&C coach would probably need to get hired on in an open hiring process. For folks who work in a professional setting, it's the person who gets hired because they know somebody even if their paper resume wouldn't get them an interview. Now that's not an apples to apples comparison. Coach O worked at 3 other colleges in a similar capacity. I don't question that he's qualified personally. But lawsuits don't follow my reasoning.

Edit: plus Rhabdo awareness is fairly new and lots is yet unknown about cases. Lot of people in the industry don't know much about it. This probably wasn't a crazy workout. Just a crazy workout to do with kids coming off a month break.

While a degree is recommended and typically sought these days, being a S&C coach is something that can be learned if people get the right experience and stay up-to-date on the latest S&C literature and practices. Oderinde started off as an assistant S&C coach at Western Kentucky and then went to Notre Dame, South Carolina, and West Virginia in similar positions but with greater responsibilities. He likely would have made up for any deficiencies on the academic and science side of things (don't know his academic history so he easily could have taken some undergrad classes that help with the job) by getting a lot of hands-on training and work experience.

[Groundswell]

Everybody in the industry knows about Rhabdo. Coach Rad has an MS in Biomechanics, Coach O doesn't have any related certs according to the CBS sports article?

The articles I've been reading range from 2011-2014. All the scientists mention a lot is not known about the causes. A lot of "coaches" and "trainers" have never heard of it. Certainly specialists do, but a lot of trainers are just working their clients and have never come across cases. My guess is Coach O never did. So that's what I mean by lots of people don't know. As of 2011, nobody at the University of Iowa had. Nobody at Texas Western knew about it. I guess awareness has spread through cross-fit gyms, but I'd guess none of those football players knew about it. Course this is the impression I've gotten from reading articles. If somebody with training expertise has an opinion, I'd like to know more.

[Groundswell]

While a degree is recommended and typically sought these days, being a S&C coach is something that can be learned if people get the right experience and stay up-to-date on the latest S&C literature and practices. Oderinde started off as an assistant S&C coach at Western Kentucky and then went to Notre Dame, South Carolina, and West Virginia in similar positions but with greater responsibilities. He likely would have made up for any deficiencies on the academic and science side of things (don't know his academic history so he easily could have taken some undergrad classes that help with the job) by getting a lot of hands-on training and work experience.

I agree. Lawyers won't. This is why part of the deal is that Coach O has to have all his workouts ok'd by the director from now on, aka somebody with qualifications.

[Duck07]

Phyllis from Mulga is laughing in her Bear Bryant snuggie. His summer workouts truly were Hell.

[GrandpaDuck]

I did read that Coach O is not credentialed adequately to be a professional S & C coach. Basically, he was hired without the qualifications for the job. That's pretty damning.

I think the 30 days is too much, the pay loss unnecessary, but the clause of being forced to clear his workouts with the department head is probably the right thing to do.

Should have got a two week suspension and forced to clear his workouts. That would have sent the same message.

If he is unqualified and he hospitalized three students on his first week on the job, how is he still employed? i'm curious where did you read this?

Coming from the DT board, so take it with a grain of salt. Coach O has 10 years experience, but not the degrees and training that a S&C coach would probably need to get hired on in an open hiring process. For folks who work in a professional setting, it's the person who gets hired because they know somebody even if their paper resume wouldn't get them an interview. Now that's not an apples to apples comparison. Coach O worked at 3 other colleges in a similar capacity. I don't question that he's qualified personally. But lawsuits don't follow my reasoning.

Edit: plus Rhabdo awareness is fairly new and lots is yet unknown about cases. Lot of people in the industry don't know much about it. This probably wasn't a crazy workout. Just a crazy workout to do with kids coming off a month break.

Thanks for your reply. I had seen where his bio lacked reference to formal training, but he could have gotten other training that wasn't listed in the USF bio so I wondered if you had see confirmation that he hadn't.

I do have to disagree with the info in your edit. The Iowa scandal of 2011 with 13 players was National news and one of the biggest slams was how Iowa's staff could have been so ignorant of rhabdomyolysis after the attention it got in the training community after the McMinnville high school incident in 2010.

I would love to hear more from Snapt on this for a view from someone in the training community.
Edit: I see Snapt snuck in while i was taking 20 minutes to post this.

[greenyellow]

Here's a story from former players at USF that says Coach O looks after his guys and never does anything excessively just because.

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/bul ... ch/2309903

[OregonDonor]

Has Bigducker weighed in yet? If I recall correctly he's a trainer at a power 5 school. He was at Utah and I believe Indiana most recently.

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