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mrpd21 wrote:I worked for 12 years in a semiconductor micro-contamination lab, performing ISO-17025 accredited analyses down to parts per quadrillion in some cases. Tests needed to be proven as accurate and repeatable, among other variables, otherwise the data wasn't reliable. The COVID test results have been offensively laughable, but not funny given the data has been used to crush the economy let alone the physical and mental health of the populous.

Telling me the cases are X yet like magic the flu is essentially no longer existent has a real "piss on my head and tell me it's raining" vibe to it. Oh and then revisions and corrections are oft made with little media coverage, so the hype machine rolls on while the CDC adjust the findings silently. Meanwhile the 2020 death toll in a "pandemic year" looked strangely similar to that of other years. In a previous thread I already shared my family's experience with what was most certainly COVID before any sort of testing was done. This is a strain of SARS; not fun and possibly dangerous to the vulnerable, but the survival rate is so incredibly high that a vaccination requirement is beyond silly.

That brings us to the vaccine. This is really more of an experimental vaccine. How are you trying to force people to get it while Fauci and others keep saying things like it may still require a mask, you still may be able to get and spread it (this has changed multiple times), and vaccinated grandparents still probably shouldn't see their loved ones. Oh and the vaccine has mRna nanotechnology in it which possibly threatens capability to rewire your genetic code. Yeah sorry if I am not jumping headfirst into the vaccine, the long term effects are not only unknown but potentially catastrophic. Maybe it all ends up fine but understand that some may not be eager to get in line to find out. There are other things but one issue that's not talked about much is the sterility factor, but my post is already too long so I'll leave it at this.

Bottom line is this: get the vaccine, don't get the vaccine. You should be free to choose just like we have had with the flu shot every year, that's the beauty of individual freedom. If your vaccine works then you shouldn't worry if I don't get a jab. Let's play some damn football!
I couldn't agree more with this post. The constant hoops politicians in power are making people jump through is just exhausting and sadly won't end for a while. "2 week freeze, I mean 4 weeks, flatten the curve, get through the winter, once we have a vaccine, oh when 80% are vaccinated." Sadly it won't end at 80% probably, starting to feel like we're all donkeys with a carrot on a stick in front of us.

As for the vaccine, my family will not get one yet, again we are planning to have another child soon and there's evidence it can affect fertility, and we don't want to get a vaccine that was rushed as fast as this one was. This simply is us making a decision we believe is best for us. No conspiracies, just us making a decision based on the information available to us. We have gotten the flu shot every year and my toddler has gotten all of the recommended vaccines. If you believe that our choice is contributing to the shutdowns, then I believe you are more brainwashed than I am for making a free choice. If you believe that people like me shouldn't be able to freely go out with those who are vaccined, then you might be a communist.
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mrpd21 wrote:I worked for 12 years in a semiconductor micro-contamination lab, performing ISO-17025 accredited analyses down to parts per quadrillion in some cases. Tests needed to be proven as accurate and repeatable, among other variables, otherwise the data wasn't reliable. The COVID test results have been offensively laughable, but not funny given the data has been used to crush the economy let alone the physical and mental health of the populous.

Telling me the cases are X yet like magic the flu is essentially no longer existent has a real "piss on my head and tell me it's raining" vibe to it. Oh and then revisions and corrections are oft made with little media coverage, so the hype machine rolls on while the CDC adjust the findings silently. Meanwhile the 2020 death toll in a "pandemic year" looked strangely similar to that of other years. In a previous thread I already shared my family's experience with what was most certainly COVID before any sort of testing was done. This is a strain of SARS; not fun and possibly dangerous to the vulnerable, but the survival rate is so incredibly high that a vaccination requirement is beyond silly.

That brings us to the vaccine. This is really more of an experimental vaccine. How are you trying to force people to get it while Fauci and others keep saying things like it may still require a mask, you still may be able to get and spread it (this has changed multiple times), and vaccinated grandparents still probably shouldn't see their loved ones. Oh and the vaccine has mRna nanotechnology in it which possibly threatens capability to rewire your genetic code. Yeah sorry if I am not jumping headfirst into the vaccine, the long term effects are not only unknown but potentially catastrophic. Maybe it all ends up fine but understand that some may not be eager to get in line to find out. There are other things but one issue that's not talked about much is the sterility factor, but my post is already too long so I'll leave it at this.

Bottom line is this: get the vaccine, don't get the vaccine. You should be free to choose just like we have had with the flu shot every year, that's the beauty of individual freedom. If your vaccine works then you shouldn't worry if I don't get a jab. Let's play some damn football!
Totally agree with your factual analysis of the facts. No one I know will be getting an unproven vaccine to prevent an unproven flu that may very well have consequences as bad or worse than what it's trying to prevent is not going to happen to me or my family. The facts just don't back up what the media and the socialistic government are trying to tell you. Pure death rate due to covid with NO UNDERLYING PRE-EXISTING conditions (dying in a car wreck and testing positive for the China flu for example) is not any worse than any other flu that shows up every year from China.

Great thing about this country is we all have free agency to do what we think is best for ourselves and our families. Enjoy your life.

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Can we refrain from politics here? There's plenty of places other than these forums for political discussions.


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Looks like another thread that will end up in the Other Guys forum.
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lmduck wrote:Can we refrain from politics here? There's plenty of places other than these forums for political discussions.


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Well we just need to keep it more on point. The Thread Question is still very much valid and it absolutely has political foundations about how that question gets answered. We saw how the political viewpoints of states/regions shaped the past football season and projecting how that plays out in the West as it relates to the Ducks seems pretty obvious too.

Will Oregon/Pac 12 have a Covid Passport to attend games? What about masks and minimum capacity restrictions?

If you don't think those aren't political questions that are germane to this I don't know what to say.
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Will Oregon/Pac 12 have a Covid Passport to attend games? What about masks and minimum capacity restrictions?
I don't think we'll have COVID passports. I'm guessing the University would need to opt into such a system, and with the blood all over the AD's budget I'm not sure anyone would want to risk pissing off conservative-leaning football customers (including season ticket holders). Yes, a sizable portion of Duck fans are Portlanders and Oregon alumni -- probably lots of liberals like me in that max -- but football's audience is certainly more conservative than most other sports. I think a passport system for football would cause too much of an uproar. (Although I'd personally love it.)

That said, I could totally see masks and capacity restrictions still being a thing especially if we haven't reached the herd immunity threshold of vaccinations.

I know I have a reputation here for being a blazing liberal, but honestly I'm more of a moderate than folks here would probably think. (It's just that I'm the rare VOCAL moderate who loves to argue!) And I've gone toe-to-toe with my progressive friends about playing sports throughout the pandemic. I've supported sports from the start, and I've also supported fans in the stands when proper measures are taken. I always think back to how the massive social justice protests turned out to NOT be super-spreader events mostly because everyone was outside and wearing masks. If that many people can be outside with masks and not get sick, then why can't fewer people with masks watch a football game with peace of mind that they won't spread the virus?

There are STILL variables, namely more contagious variants and the drive to get folks vaccinated... but we have so much time to get shots in arms between now and August. We SHOULD be able to have fans in the stands come football season, and not just a smattering.

If I had to put money on it... I'll say we'll have a 70-75 percent vaccination rate, no COVID passports for football, masks required, and the stadium at 50 percent capacity.
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lmduck wrote:Can we refrain from politics here? There's plenty of places other than these forums for political discussions.


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True, my bad!

Anyway fans or no fans isn’t a big deal to me.

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Wearing a mask at a ball game sounds like all kinds of fun. I think I'll have to pass though.

Kind of interesting experiments going on all over the country regarding compelling people to wear masks, fans at games, etc. In the end, it seems like policy will be decided by how much people are willing to put up with, and that is probably a regional preference. I don't think there will be anything like 70% vaccinated, but that may be because of who is in my sphere. I'm happy to watch the games on t.v. until some semblance of sanity returns to public policy, and we stop letting the ultra-fearful decide for all of us.
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My prediction is that death rates are going to plummet in the next few months as the majority of people in vulnerable demographic groups will get vaccinated. The political will to mandate restrictions will fade away as hospital and death rates hit that of a seasonal flu. As everything opens up there will be a slight surge of severe outcomes in the un-vaccinated pool but that will diminish as partial herd immunity is achieved within that group and the vaccinated group it interacts with.

Corona virus wont disappear because it will slowly move through the unvaccinated population for years but ongoing deaths will be considered acceptable and will only be mitigated thru vaccines, variant boosters, and treatments not shutdowns.

I do expect to see quite a bit of voluntary mask wearing in public for years to come though, as is done in many Asian countries.

I might continue wearing masks in public as I have enjoyed my first year in I don't know how long of not getting a cold or flu. (I dont work in public so for me the mask wearing would be of short duration.) Also I don't know if the mask actually helped in this, but I do look pretty dang sharp in my Duck masks and get lots of compliments while on my walks.
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Grandpaduck, agree with pretty much everything you just said, especially about how COVID will live in through the unvaccinated population. We'll always have anti-vaxers, so we'll always have COVID. We'll also have folks who believe in vaccines who simply get lazy and don't get boosters for the latest variants. (I get lazy sometimes and don't get a flu shot.)

I also just got an Oregon mask, and I wear it proudly! :) I also have a Pez candy mask. I don't think I'll continue wearing masks indefinitely, though, as wearing masks is mainly designed to protect others... won't be much point if most people are running around maskless.

And once my family is vaccinated, well... I know this sounds callous, but, at this point, no point in worrying about what others choose to do if it doesn't affect my circle. We've spent the past year sacrificing for the greater good and now we're ready to be vaccinated and move on.

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I don't think there will be anything like 70% vaccinated, but that may be because of who is in my sphere.
I just saw a poll today that republicans are the largest identifiable group of people who are resisting the vaccine. The poll said 28 percent of republicans said they definitely won't get it. Without whipping out a calculator, I'm going to guess that equates to around 12-15 percent of Oregonians... which means it's actually possible that we COULD hit the 80 percent mark as recommended by epidemiologists, but it's going to require many who are on the fence to be persuaded to get jabbed.

I think the bigger question is vaccination rates going forward. I figure enthusiasm to get vaccinated will wane as we distance ourselves from the worst of the pandemic... so what happens like five or 10 years down the road as more people neglect vaccinations and variants continue to circulate? Could especially red/rural communities become ongoing hotbeds of COVID outbreaks and deaths? Will church attendance suffer? Will temporary school shutdowns and cleanings become normal when outbreaks among the unvaccinated occur? Time will tell, but still so many questions. This pandemic period will end, but COVID really is here to stay.
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[quote="lmduck"]Can we refrain from politics here? There's plenty of places other than these forums for political discussions.



It's politics that caused this and sadly, probably politics that will decide this question. Can you wrap your head around that?
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Pez, you lost me at Republican hotbeds of COVID outbreaks and deaths. Your ultra-partisan lense for viewing the world blinds you to who is actually refusing vaccinations and why, and your projections for people to die that you don't agree with is in poor taste. It has nothing to do with political party - Trump was the one pushing the vaccine as a solution for months.

You mention 'sacrificing for the greater good' and being ready to move on, and I think you miss in your political blinders that everyone around you has been in that same situation. I am glad that you are experiencing fatherhood, but there are entire communities of people WAY more invested in that institution than you will ever be, and yet they come to a different conclusion about how to manage the virus problem. I know I'm trying to get blood from a turnip, but maybe try considering why that is and stop posting like a snot-nosed ideologue.
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Phalanx wrote:Pez, you lost me at Republican hotbeds of COVID outbreaks and deaths. Your ultra-partisan lense for viewing the world blinds you to who is actually refusing vaccinations and why, and your projections for people to die that you don't agree with is in poor taste. It has nothing to do with political party - Trump was the one pushing the vaccine as a solution for months.

You mention 'sacrificing for the greater good' and being ready to move on, and I think you miss in your political blinders that everyone around you has been in that same situation. I am glad that you are experiencing fatherhood, but there are entire communities of people WAY more invested in that institution than you will ever be, and yet they come to a different conclusion about how to manage the virus problem. I know I'm trying to get blood from a turnip, but maybe try considering why that is and stop posting like a snot-nosed ideologue.
Did you just say he's less invested in fatherhood than others? I hope I'm misreading that.
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Tray Dub wrote: Did you just say he's less invested in fatherhood than others? I hope I'm misreading that.
Oh no, are you offended? Having wet dreams about rural Republicans dying of Covid is fine, but God forbid I should mention that others have been fathers of more kids and for a much larger portion of their lives. That's enough to make a perpetual lurker take umbrage and post some mock indignation. :lol:
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Phalanx wrote:
Tray Dub wrote: Did you just say he's less invested in fatherhood than others? I hope I'm misreading that.
Oh no, are you offended? Having wet dreams about rural Republicans dying of Covid is fine, but God forbid I should mention that others have been fathers of more kids and for a much larger portion of their lives. That's enough to make a perpetual lurker take umbrage and post some mock indignation. :lol:
Get a grip bud. Your feelings are so hurt by someone mentioning that conservatives are more skeptical of the vaccine that you go after a man's fatherhood. Just sad.
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