^^ I think most people are smart enough to know most of what you are saying is either untrue and strongly misrepresenting people.pezsez1 wrote:This "conversation" is why so many members of our community are reluctant to join in.
I've done nothing here but provide links to studies and information-packed articles that clearly establish my points. I've not left any room for doubt -- the science is conclusive. This is all pretty easy stuff to grasp.
Our vaccines are safe, effective, they reduce spread, and they work against Delta. Period, full stop.
Meanwhile, the rest of you are "refuting" my facts with passive claims of government conspiracies, factoids removed from context, and claims of "authoritarianism" when vaccine mandates are, in fact, nothing new to this country (and upheld more than once by the Supreme Court).
You quote zero studies. You quote zero contextual facts. You just throw turds against the wall and then scream at me for cleaning it up.
The only really inflammatory thing I've said is that I don't care if unvaccinated people choose to lose their jobs -- and I definitely mean that. It even makes me a little giddy. They deserve to lose their jobs if they're going to be that dumb about vaccines. I hope they're denied unemployment, too.
But what matters here is that vaccines work. They're effective. They're safe. I'm astounded that so many people who are otherwise rational and intelligent have been completely taken by anti-vax propaganda. How did you people allow that to happen to yourselves? Seriously, it blows my mind. I'm glad I can't relate.
Regardless, you have still failed to respond to the most sigfnicaitn and meaningful case study to date: Israel. Here is a brief rundown of the spike this summer and then a few graphs that dispel the effectiveness of the vaccine in preventing inception/transmission:
-first country to have the majority of people "vaccinated" due to special contract with Pfizer + commitment to “science” (March 2021)
-Delta variant makes first appearance (July 2021)
-Slow surge begins in Israel (mid-July 2021)
-70% of all citizens have received a vaccination (August 2021)
-78% of > 12 yrs old citizens have been "fully vaccinated" (August 2021)
-COVID cases reaches all-time high 11,000 (8/31/21)
-COVID cases reaches another all-time high of 11,316 daily cases (9/2/21)
- Sweden (no restrictions) + 5 other European countries ban the travel of Israeli’s (regardless of vax status) (9/3/21)
OK, let’s break it down with a bit of Q&A and graphs to make it easy to grasp:
(1) How did the Israel spike compare to the rest of the world at the same time? Answer, very bad:
(2) Which set of people were largely responsible for the spike in cases? Based on the data below, we see that proportionally, it is very similar. If you include the “once-faxed” individuals in the group below, it would show that proportionally more “vaccinated” Israeli’s got the virus compared to “unvaccinated”. Shocking? To some.
(3) What was the viral load - a good indicator of infectiousness - between vax/non during this period? Answer: not much difference.