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pezsez1 wrote:I'm obviously not going to watch
You lost me after this.
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I love when the word "whataboutism" is used as a putdown word in the context of unequal administration because it actually perfectly describes the perversion of justice. For example:

Government: Person A commits said crimes. We are pressing charges.

Citizen: But what about Person B of the other party? Didn't he/she do the same thing?

Party hack: That's whataboutism!

Citizen: Exactly! What about the other guy?

Party hack: That's whataboutism!

Citizen: Exactly!
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Pez is not representation of reality.
I fully agree I'm not a representation of your reality. That much is clear. :lol:

And do you not understand how "24 minutes of anti-democratic-sounding soundbites with no context" is different than an alleged orchestrated conspiracy to overthrow an election?

That's whataboutism. That's basically the most extreme version of whataboutism staring you square in the face.

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pezsez1 wrote:
Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
And yet it enshrines religious freedom, including the freedom to live one's life free from mythological shackles.
You are purposefully misrepresenting the spirit of the quote. Adams is saying that the system they created (by the people), is also dependent on the will of the people. Having a religious and moral foundation is fundamental in preserving the structure established during the founding. To have a government that punishes evil and rewards good - which is the ultimate objective of a government - is fully dependent on the individuals that put the people in power to accomplish such objectives. That is, they must be able to define what is good and what is evil.

You have demonstrated this earlier by saying that "morality is completely subjective" and "mythological shackles". And there you have it. Your moral foundation is subject to change based on the whims of the times. A citizenry that does not hold on to any objective truths, therefore, cannot elect representatives that punish evil and reward good, since there is not objective good or evil.

And I'm not sure what "religious freedom" has to do with John Adams' quote either. If you are implying that he is saying that the Constitution should not allow irreligious folks, then that's kooked out. Yes, it is better - and necessary - to have a moral and religious citizenry. And yes, it's better to have that moral foundation be based on a Biblical ethic. But that has nothing to do with Establishment Clause.
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pezsez1 wrote:
Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
And yet it enshrines religious freedom, including the freedom to live one's life free from mythological shackles.

Also, morality is completely subjective. Like, I thought Anonymous Florida Man was incredibly immoral for trying to steal the election in Georgia. But most repubs don't seem to have a problem with that so maybe we shouldn't grandstand about morality.

I mean, what are you even talking about here? I know you're a super-passionate right-winger -- and that a growing number of folks on the right aren't exactly connoisseurs of democracy -- but damn.
Couple of points of clarification please.

You keep saying that Anonymous Florida Man tried to steal the election in Georgia. Could you please elaborate on how that was done? So far, all I have heard is that he spoke on the phone.

Would you please explain who these people are that aren't connoisseurs of democracy? Unless you are just repeating what you heard on "The View" those are pretty weighty accusations.
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A judge rules to effectively shut-down all of former president's businesses because he over-valued his properties when obtaining a loan. One of those properties was Mar-a-Lago where the judge ruled that the Property Tax Assessed Value should be used as the measure of fair value rather than a different methodology. Based off this, the judge assessed that the property was worth $18m. A quick look at zillow search shows that the surrounding properties are all valued over $200m with less optimal location, smaller acreage, and less prestigious structures.

How did we get to the point where varying jurisdictions' AG's, judges, and juries are decimating the small semblances of "rule-of-law" that we had remaining?

1. Media is utterly corrupt/controlled by many powerful people/institutions who are opposed American interests.
2. Media told us that the former president was the most heinous man on the planet from Day 1.
3. Declining lack of values/convictions in the populous. Right/wrong has become "subjective" where our values/convictions are based on societal norms rather than objective truths. Therefore, people very easily became ensnared by #2 (becoming obsessed with people/celebrities rather the values/truth, and believing what they are told rather than vetting it as true or not).
4. Combine all of those, and you get extremely corrupt/unjust AGs, judges, and juries
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jBeavertonduck wrote:
pezsez1 wrote:
Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
And yet it enshrines religious freedom, including the freedom to live one's life free from mythological shackles.

Also, morality is completely subjective. Like, I thought Anonymous Florida Man was incredibly immoral for trying to steal the election in Georgia. But most repubs don't seem to have a problem with that so maybe we shouldn't grandstand about morality.

I mean, what are you even talking about here? I know you're a super-passionate right-winger -- and that a growing number of folks on the right aren't exactly connoisseurs of democracy -- but damn.
Couple of points of clarification please.

You keep saying that Anonymous Florida Man tried to steal the election in Georgia. Could you please elaborate on how that was done? So far, all I have heard is that he spoke on the phone.

Would you please explain who these people are that aren't connoisseurs of democracy? Unless you are just repeating what you heard on "The View" those are pretty weighty accusations.

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dd10snoop28 wrote:A judge rules to effectively shut-down all of former president's businesses because he over-valued his properties when obtaining a loan. One of those properties was Mar-a-Lago where the judge ruled that the Property Tax Assessed Value should be used as the measure of fair value rather than a different methodology. Based off this, the judge assessed that the property was worth $18m. A quick look at zillow search shows that the surrounding properties are all valued over $200m with less optimal location, smaller acreage, and less prestigious structures.

How did we get to the point where varying jurisdictions' AG's, judges, and juries are decimating the small semblances of "rule-of-law" that we had remaining?

1. Media is utterly corrupt/controlled by many powerful people/institutions who are opposed American interests.
2. Media told us that the former president was the most heinous man on the planet from Day 1.
3. Declining lack of values/convictions in the populous. Right/wrong has become "subjective" where our values/convictions are based on societal norms rather than objective truths. Therefore, people very easily became ensnared by #2 (becoming obsessed with people/celebrities rather the values/truth, and believing what they are told rather than vetting it as true or not).
4. Combine all of those, and you get extremely corrupt/unjust AGs, judges, and juries
That property assessment is absolutely immoral, regardless of political positions or you personal feelings towards an individual.

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UOducksTK1 wrote:
dd10snoop28 wrote:A judge rules to effectively shut-down all of former president's businesses because he over-valued his properties when obtaining a loan. One of those properties was Mar-a-Lago where the judge ruled that the Property Tax Assessed Value should be used as the measure of fair value rather than a different methodology. Based off this, the judge assessed that the property was worth $18m. A quick look at zillow search shows that the surrounding properties are all valued over $200m with less optimal location, smaller acreage, and less prestigious structures.

How did we get to the point where varying jurisdictions' AG's, judges, and juries are decimating the small semblances of "rule-of-law" that we had remaining?

1. Media is utterly corrupt/controlled by many powerful people/institutions who are opposed American interests.
2. Media told us that the former president was the most heinous man on the planet from Day 1.
3. Declining lack of values/convictions in the populous. Right/wrong has become "subjective" where our values/convictions are based on societal norms rather than objective truths. Therefore, people very easily became ensnared by #2 (becoming obsessed with people/celebrities rather the values/truth, and believing what they are told rather than vetting it as true or not).
4. Combine all of those, and you get extremely corrupt/unjust AGs, judges, and juries
That property assessment is absolutely immoral, regardless of political positions or you personal feelings towards an individual.
Maybe it's my age, but I find it astonishing that there isn't more outrage over how the Federal Government has become so blatantly corrupt. I remember talking about the Bill of Rights when I was in school and how that made this country unique. Now it's just accepted that a person's freedom of speech is conditional on political correctness. That an experimental genetic therapy is still has only emergency authorization is still being mandated (Baylor University), and the people that formerly burned their draft cards in protest of foreign wars are the leading proponent of involvement in the war in Ukraine.
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jBeavertonduck wrote:
UOducksTK1 wrote:
dd10snoop28 wrote:A judge rules to effectively shut-down all of former president's businesses because he over-valued his properties when obtaining a loan. One of those properties was Mar-a-Lago where the judge ruled that the Property Tax Assessed Value should be used as the measure of fair value rather than a different methodology. Based off this, the judge assessed that the property was worth $18m. A quick look at zillow search shows that the surrounding properties are all valued over $200m with less optimal location, smaller acreage, and less prestigious structures.

How did we get to the point where varying jurisdictions' AG's, judges, and juries are decimating the small semblances of "rule-of-law" that we had remaining?

1. Media is utterly corrupt/controlled by many powerful people/institutions who are opposed American interests.
2. Media told us that the former president was the most heinous man on the planet from Day 1.
3. Declining lack of values/convictions in the populous. Right/wrong has become "subjective" where our values/convictions are based on societal norms rather than objective truths. Therefore, people very easily became ensnared by #2 (becoming obsessed with people/celebrities rather the values/truth, and believing what they are told rather than vetting it as true or not).
4. Combine all of those, and you get extremely corrupt/unjust AGs, judges, and juries
That property assessment is absolutely immoral, regardless of political positions or you personal feelings towards an individual.
Maybe it's my age, but I find it astonishing that there isn't more outrage over how the Federal Government has become so blatantly corrupt. I remember talking about the Bill of Rights when I was in school and how that made this country unique. Now it's just accepted that a person's freedom of speech is conditional on political correctness. That an experimental genetic therapy is still has only emergency authorization is still being mandated (Baylor University), and the people that formerly burned their draft cards in protest of foreign wars are the leading proponent of involvement in the war in Ukraine.
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dd10snoop28 wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:24 am
Duck07 wrote:
pezsez1 wrote: I get the feeling this, like everything else, will get a pass from so many of Trump's fans. This is getting ridiculous.
Well the first time you care about Democrats being bad actors will be the first - which is why you still don't understand why so many American's don't care about these low-level, slap on the wrist style "crimes." (Not for being a war-criminal or for Kushner/Ivanka directly profiting from his actions while POTUS because then they'd have to equally apply that standard!)

Multiple, corrupt administrations but sure, its the orange man alone who represents the existential threat.
These aren't slap on the wrist crimes dude. He could serve over 300 years in jail in convicted on all the differing charges presented.

DC (95% dem)? Easy conviction.
Fulton County (80% dem)? Easy conviction.
NYC (80% dem)? Easy conviction.

At this point, it's a foregone conclusion that the former president of the US is going to jail right before the election.

What distinguishes America from any of other corrupt, oppressive, and tyrannical countries? Nothing.

The most impressive part is that probably 70% of the country is calloused, or just ignorant, to what is happening and the implications of this to their lives.

The citizenry for the most part has become immoral, unwise, unengaged, and dependent on a government that our Founders tried so hard to keep in check.
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Ultimately, the result of western secularism has contributed to this downfall we are seeing. America was founded with the strongest ideals of freedom and a political system that was established to give the power to the people. However, without a solid moral foundation and reverence of the Creator, then these "freedoms" and "rights" become amenable to the will of a people in drastic moral decline.
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A jury convicted Trump and nobody needs a god story to live a good life.

Take some deep breaths and move on. Trump will be fine. None of this harms his election chances. But maybe the next white-collar dirtbag will think twice before breaking the law.
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pezsez1 wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 9:59 pm ... nobody needs a god story to live a good life.
I do. In Him I live and move and have my being. The funny thing is, so do you, you just don't acknowledge it. How far into your threescore and ten allotted years are you? You don't get forever, and someday you will meet this God that you don't acknowledge. That will be a very sad day if you don't figure some stuff out before then.

Anyway, I think a critical mass of people understand the situation with Trump. He is a yucky individual who cheated on his wife. Most people who do this are not brought up on felony charges for it, but we are living in an age of kangaroo court jurisprudence. If you pick the right venue, you can get anyone convicted of anything. When do the appeals to adults begin?
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pezsez1 wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 9:59 pm A jury convicted Trump and nobody needs a god story to live a good life.

Take some deep breaths and move on. Trump will be fine. None of this harms his election chances. But maybe the next white-collar dirtbag will think twice before breaking the law.
Yeah, the Biden crime family is so noble and all...they just haven't had to go to court, YET. Trump will be acquitted on appeals, but Biden will have a nice Cuban vacation if he hasn't already. Not sure who this actor playing him with the mask is, but it's certainly not O'Bi-Dumb.
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