Tyreke Hill incident

[Phalanx]

Just a confrontation between two impatient men who both believed they were above having to interact with or listen to the other. Unfortunately, one of the immature men had a gun and a badge and the option of exerting force on the other. I don't think this is about what color Tyreek is; police are more likely to discriminate against the poor than against a rich black football player. The issue is that we have a police force who are trained to escalate rather than de-escalate, to double down on aggressive behavior rather than reason. It's on odd irony that despite the fact that police get nice government salaries from the public, it is the people they initiate an interaction with who are expected to be the mature party in the exchange, and if they aren't mature, it could cost them their life, regardless of what the original infraction is purported to be.

I love the commenters who say Tyreek rolling up his window was so dangerous for the officer. Why on earth would anyone assume that an interaction initiated by the cop is threatening... to the cop? Is it normal to meet people in public and assume that if you can't see them they are dangerous and should be pummeled and cuffed? Silly, ridiculous logic. There is no excuse for treating a normal citizen in this demeaning way just because you don't like his tone of voice, etc. Cops should have to provide a defense for every time they exert physical violence on someone, so I have no problem with this being reviewed now, however unlikeable Tyreek was during the episode.

[UOducksTK1]

Just a confrontation between two impatient men who both believed they were above having to interact with or listen to the other. Unfortunately, one of the immature men had a gun and a badge and the option of exerting force on the other. I don't think this is about what color Tyreek is; police are more likely to discriminate against the poor than against a rich black football player. The issue is that we have a police force who are trained to escalate rather than de-escalate, to double down on aggressive behavior rather than reason. It's on odd irony that despite the fact that police get nice government salaries from the public, it is the people they initiate an interaction with who are expected to be the mature party in the exchange, and if they aren't mature, it could cost them their life, regardless of what the original infraction is purported to be.

I love the commenters who say Tyreek rolling up his window was so dangerous for the officer. Why on earth would anyone assume that an interaction initiated by the cop is threatening... to the cop? Is it normal to meet people in public and assume that if you can't see them they are dangerous and should be pummeled and cuffed? Silly, ridiculous logic. There is no excuse for treating a normal citizen in this demeaning way just because you don't like his tone of voice, etc. Cops should have to provide a defense for every time they exert physical violence on someone, so I have no problem with this being reviewed now, however unlikeable Tyreek was during the episode.

Rolling up a tinted window is often a measure used by criminals to hide/destroy drugs or to take an opportunity to get a weapon out to shoot the officer. Cops did a good job on this one. Their lives are more important than Tyreek's privilege.

[Phalanx]

Rolling up a tinted window is often a measure used by criminals to hide/destroy drugs or to take an opportunity to get a weapon out to shoot the officer. Cops did a good job on this one. Their lives are more important than Tyreek's privilege.

Do criminals also eat with forks? If I eat with a fork, should I be forcibly removed from my car and my face pushed into the ground while being cuffed? I am, quite frankly, tired of the argument 'criminals do x, therefore anyone doing x deserves what they get' when x ≠ criminal behavior. Criminals pay with cash, criminals use this website, blah blah blah. It's not 'privilege', it's basic human dignity and the right to travel down the road unmolested. The cop had ZERO reason to believe that Tyreek was getting a weapon or hiding/destroying drugs. They were pulling him over for a minor traffic violation. Give him the ticket and send him on his way instead of making it about your authority. People who work in customer service all over the country have to learn deference to rude people, why not police?

[UOducksTK1]

Rolling up a tinted window is often a measure used by criminals to hide/destroy drugs or to take an opportunity to get a weapon out to shoot the officer. Cops did a good job on this one. Their lives are more important than Tyreek's privilege.

Do criminals also eat with forks? If I eat with a fork, should I be forcibly removed from my car and my face pushed into the ground while being cuffed? I am, quite frankly, tired of the argument 'criminals do x, therefore anyone doing x deserves what they get' when x ≠ criminal behavior. Criminals pay with cash, criminals use this website, blah blah blah. It's not 'privilege', it's basic human dignity and the right to travel down the road unmolested. The cop had ZERO reason to believe that Tyreek was getting a weapon or hiding/destroying drugs. They were pulling him over for a minor traffic violation. Give him the ticket and send him on his way instead of making it about your authority. People who work in customer service all over the country have to learn deference to rude people, why not police?

Uh the law.

I mean for one, ignoring police officers instructions during traffic stop is a misdemeanor in many (if not all) states. So yeah getting mad about your cup of coffee is quite different.

[Duck07]

Phalanx is correct on the window issue. If all it takes is 1 incident where a cop is shot ergo every interaction portends potentially being shot at, then the public has the right to the same level of concern of a cop shooting them because it too has happened. As such, the whole "us vs them" war mentality that police operate under in order to hold that kind of "concern for their own safety" is the exact issue with policing in this country and it's not the type of behavior I want in our police or that I think others want. As he mentioned, deescalation of any situation should be their first priority and they made a mountain out of a mole hill.

[pudgejeff]

Just a confrontation between two impatient men who both believed they were above having to interact with or listen to the other. Unfortunately, one of the immature men had a gun and a badge and the option of exerting force on the other. I don't think this is about what color Tyreek is; police are more likely to discriminate against the poor than against a rich black football player. The issue is that we have a police force who are trained to escalate rather than de-escalate, to double down on aggressive behavior rather than reason. It's on odd irony that despite the fact that police get nice government salaries from the public, it is the people they initiate an interaction with who are expected to be the mature party in the exchange, and if they aren't mature, it could cost them their life, regardless of what the original infraction is purported to be.

I love the commenters who say Tyreek rolling up his window was so dangerous for the officer. Why on earth would anyone assume that an interaction initiated by the cop is threatening... to the cop? Is it normal to meet people in public and assume that if you can't see them they are dangerous and should be pummeled and cuffed? Silly, ridiculous logic. There is no excuse for treating a normal citizen in this demeaning way just because you don't like his tone of voice, etc. Cops should have to provide a defense for every time they exert physical violence on someone, so I have no problem with this being reviewed now, however unlikeable Tyreek was during the episode.

We don't agree on a ton, but I honestly don't believe I could have said this any better.

[nogerO]

Just a confrontation between two impatient men who both believed they were above having to interact with or listen to the other. Unfortunately, one of the immature men had a gun and a badge and the option of exerting force on the other. I don't think this is about what color Tyreek is; police are more likely to discriminate against the poor than against a rich black football player. The issue is that we have a police force who are trained to escalate rather than de-escalate, to double down on aggressive behavior rather than reason. It's on odd irony that despite the fact that police get nice government salaries from the public, it is the people they initiate an interaction with who are expected to be the mature party in the exchange, and if they aren't mature, it could cost them their life, regardless of what the original infraction is purported to be.

I love the commenters who say Tyreek rolling up his window was so dangerous for the officer. Why on earth would anyone assume that an interaction initiated by the cop is threatening... to the cop? Is it normal to meet people in public and assume that if you can't see them they are dangerous and should be pummeled and cuffed? Silly, ridiculous logic. There is no excuse for treating a normal citizen in this demeaning way just because you don't like his tone of voice, etc. Cops should have to provide a defense for every time they exert physical violence on someone, so I have no problem with this being reviewed now, however unlikeable Tyreek was during the episode.

Rolling up a tinted window is often a measure used by criminals to hide/destroy drugs or to take an opportunity to get a weapon out to shoot the officer. Cops did a good job on this one. Their lives are more important than Tyreek's privilege.

Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

[UOducksTK1]

Phalanx is correct on the window issue. If all it takes is 1 incident where a cop is shot ergo every interaction portends potentially being shot at, then the public has the right to the same level of concern of a cop shooting them because it too has happened. As such, the whole "us vs them" war mentality that police operate under in order to hold that kind of "concern for their own safety" is the exact issue with policing in this country and it's not the type of behavior I want in our police or that I think others want. As he mentioned, deescalation of any situation should be their first priority and they made a mountain out of a mole hill.

None of this is relevant. He committed a traffic violation, then rolled up window preventing cop from communicating to him. Failure to roll down window means the cop can legally and justifiably ask the person to step out of car. Failure to do so means cops can use force to remove the criminal from the vehicle at this point.

Any lawyer would agree Tyreek is in the wrong and should probably receive a misdemeanor in addition to his traffic citation.

[UOducksTK1]

I'll let Ugo Lord educate yall:

[dd10snoop28]

The incident that occurred is less important IMO than the aftermath.

All of the coverage is one-sided. The NFL has completely lost their mind with their "statement", showing absolutely no objectivity in the situation. Tyreek Hill and his lawyers send a letter demanding that the officer be fired. Crazy, If you read most articles, the vast majority of them don't even mention that (1) Hill was driving recklessly, and (2) he was not cooperative with law enforcement.

Ultimately, this is Hill's fault because he took two direct actions that ultimately led to law enforcement detaining him: (1) driving recklessly, and (2) trying to prove a point against law enforcement by rolling up his window.

Also, hilarious that Hill - a personal with a criminal history - has suddenly become the media's moral compass as he talks about the ills of law enforcement in his interviews. It's crazy that the police brutality crowd can't find a better advocate than Tyreek Hill.....

[Duck07]

Phalanx is correct on the window issue. If all it takes is 1 incident where a cop is shot ergo every interaction portends potentially being shot at, then the public has the right to the same level of concern of a cop shooting them because it too has happened. As such, the whole "us vs them" war mentality that police operate under in order to hold that kind of "concern for their own safety" is the exact issue with policing in this country and it's not the type of behavior I want in our police or that I think others want. As he mentioned, deescalation of any situation should be their first priority and they made a mountain out of a mole hill.

None of this is relevant. He committed a traffic violation, then rolled up window preventing cop from communicating to him. Failure to roll down window means the cop can legally and justifiably ask the person to step out of car. Failure to do so means cops can use force to remove the criminal from the vehicle at this point.

Any lawyer would agree Tyreek is in the wrong and should probably receive a misdemeanor in addition to his traffic citation.

At no point has anybody said that Tyreek was "in the right" to be defiant so trying to use some tik tok lawyer is silly when that's not the discussion that we're having. The issue that people have with it is the use of force over a dumbass traffic citation instead of simply adding more minor citations onto the ticket like cops used to do when they wanted to be a dick.

[squintsdd]

Phalanx is correct on the window issue. If all it takes is 1 incident where a cop is shot ergo every interaction portends potentially being shot at, then the public has the right to the same level of concern of a cop shooting them because it too has happened. As such, the whole "us vs them" war mentality that police operate under in order to hold that kind of "concern for their own safety" is the exact issue with policing in this country and it's not the type of behavior I want in our police or that I think others want. As he mentioned, deescalation of any situation should be their first priority and they made a mountain out of a mole hill.

None of this is relevant. He committed a traffic violation, then rolled up window preventing cop from communicating to him. Failure to roll down window means the cop can legally and justifiably ask the person to step out of car. Failure to do so means cops can use force to remove the criminal from the vehicle at this point.

Any lawyer would agree Tyreek is in the wrong and should probably receive a misdemeanor in addition to his traffic citation.

At no point has anybody said that Tyreek was "in the right" to be defiant so trying to use some tik tok lawyer is silly when that's not the discussion that we're having. The issue that people have with it is the use of force over a dumbass traffic citation instead of simply adding more minor citations onto the ticket like cops used to do when they wanted to be a dick.

At the heart of this is the officers safety. Rolling up a tinted window on an officer so they can't see and communicate with you puts them and anyone else in the area at risk. Do you know why cops are armed? It's not because they deal only with the friendliest of people on a daily basis

[Duck07]

At the heart of this is the officers safety. Rolling up a tinted window on an officer so they can't see and communicate with you puts them and anyone else in the area at risk. Do you know why cops are armed? It's not because they deal only with the friendliest of people on a daily basis

I've already addressed this because it goes both ways.

"as a matter of fact, get out of the car."

Dude wasn't threatened for his life in that moment at all.

[dd10snoop28]

There are two sides that are being representing in this discussions, and both have merit:

(1) The idea that there is police brutality occurring against black Americans is false. This one gets the most publicity by media/politicians, and its impact is bad.
(2) Constitutional rights cannot be violated by law enforcement under the guise of "safety and security".

My thoughts are this.... if local law enforcement does something bad, it is much easier to hold them to account since you have some control over who gets elected on that level. When federal law enforcement does something bad, there isn't a thing in the world that you can do to hold them to account. Be careful of the stories that hold local/state law enforcement in a poor light.

There is a concerted effort to get rid of law and order by emphasizing police brutality (see Portland and every other major city in the U.S.). Don't fall for it.

[dd10snoop28]

At the heart of this is the officers safety. Rolling up a tinted window on an officer so they can't see and communicate with you puts them and anyone else in the area at risk. Do you know why cops are armed? It's not because they deal only with the friendliest of people on a daily basis

I've already addressed this because it goes both ways.

"as a matter of fact, get out of the car."

Dude wasn't threatened for his life in that moment at all.

Should that be illegal for an officer to do? There needs to be some discretion for an officer to use in this type of situation. You have to balance acountability with too much scrutiny. Unfortunately, society is moving away from law/order and has a negative view of law enforcement that (1) juries are starting to convict police more than they should due to bias and (2) there are less qualified policeman that want to remain in the profession.

It's a vicious cycle. Here's an interesting question.....if the media has the choice to report on two different perspective, which is more advantageous:

(1) spend time criticizing officers for being slightly aggressive or,
(2) spend time focusing on rise in crime