I'm just wondering where the lefty outrage was when Obama killed hundreds of civilians at weddings and funerals when he started the bombings in Yemen in 2014.
I mean, this intolerance for killing children is really admirable, but it must be really, really recent because Biden killed a bunch of children in Kabul a few years ago.
He also bombed hospitals and residential areas and a telecommunications site in Yemen just last year according to the same Houthi officials via Al-Masirah being cited now for these recent deaths, but no comment from you in this thread that was started almost a year earlier. So by your 'older self' you mean you reached the age of conscience just in the last few months?
The annual rate of air raids fell by 37% in the fourth year of the air war 2018/2019 compared to the year before and by a further 63% in 2019/2020. The year-on-year decline in coalition bombings ended in 2020 when air raid rates increased by 92% in 2020/2021.That rate increased slightly by 30 air raids in the seventh year of bombing. Although air raids increased by just 1% year-on-year in 2021/2022, civilian casualties in the last year of the bombing campaign from March 2021 to February 2022 jumped by 315% to 627.
Phalanx wrote: ↑Wed Mar 26, 2025 11:28 pm
I'm just wondering where the lefty outrage was when Obama killed hundreds of civilians at weddings and funerals when he started the bombings in Yemen in 2014.
I've been done with both parties for a long time because those on the right approved of those same drone strikes in Yemen - there is no consistency of standards to either party because they are a Uni-Party and thinking otherwise is pure folly.
StevensTechU wrote: ↑Wed Mar 26, 2025 1:24 pm
Checking in with the news today:
- The subject of the leak was an attack that killed 2 little kids and hospitalized 2 others
If people gave a s*** in this country about kids being killed we wouldn't have had to choose between Harris or Trump. The Israeli/American Genocide continues and by and large people don't give AF. We're doomed.
Stories of women and children getting killed hits me harder the older I get and watch my kids growing up. I don't have the callousness to imagine a 6 year old in Yemen is somehow different than a 6 year old in the US. My younger self, when my oldest brother fought in Iraq, was better at concluding civilian casualties were a part of conflict; you try to avoid it but you can never be perfect. My older self has really little tolerance for it at all.
If someone does something that deserves them getting punched, but they hold up a kid, I don't get to just punch the kid. I have to figure out a new plan. That's just the way it goes. Regarding your two options, there seems to be a very clear "Bad" and "Much worse." Yemen and Israel conflicts are clear areas of comparison.
A non-insignificant portion of this country believes in collective punishment up to and including the bombing of hospitals and refugee camps all in defiance of international law. That same portion of individuals believes that the Pager attacks are something to celebrate and find humor in. Trying to discern between Harris as somehow (Bad) and Trump as (Much Worse) ignores the multitude of Bi-Partisan destruction that brought us to this point over the decades. Until enough people understand that neither the Left nor the Right is on their side, we'll continue down this path of destruction.
Phalanx wrote: ↑Wed Mar 26, 2025 11:28 pm
I'm just wondering where the lefty outrage was when Obama killed hundreds of civilians at weddings and funerals when he started the bombings in Yemen in 2014.
I've been done with both parties for a long time because those on the right approved of those same drone strikes in Yemen - there is no consistency of standards to either party because they are a Uni-Party and thinking otherwise is pure folly.
Can you post proof of this statement. And no Axios, or MSNDC, or CBS or NBC or ABC or any other FAKE NEWS will not be accepted as proof.
"To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine
StevensTechU wrote: ↑Wed Mar 26, 2025 1:24 pm
Checking in with the news today:
- The most senior intelligence, defense, and administrative officials in the country aside from the President himself used a commercial texting app which is against government policy, likely in order to avoid transparency and federal archiving regulations, and accidentally added a journalist to a conversation that detailed plans to drop bombs on a foreign country
> They referenced other 'small chats,' indicating this is normal for them, despite it being against policy
> They're strategy since it's come to light has gone from lying about its existence, to saying they don't remember, to saying well its not bad or that it's the journalist's fault
- The subject of the leak was an attack that killed 2 little kids and hospitalized 2 others
- One of he DOGE staffers, who calls himself "Big Balls," has been linked to cybercrime gangs and touted that he stalked an FBI agent (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/doge-s ... 025-03-26/)
- An independent analysis has estimated that the defunding of USAID will lead to 176,000 deaths of adults and children in 2025, or about 103 per hour, due to starvation and lack of medical attention (https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/20 ... ding-cuts/)
- The Trump Administration continues to weaponize the government by targeting law firms that do work for their political opponents (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-si ... 49575.html)
- Separately, Republican leaders have floated the idea of limiting the power of the Courts in response to receiving unfavorable verdicts (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congre ... rcna197986)
- The stock market is now down 9% from its peak as tariffs have kicked in
It's a lot to keep up with. I did see that 7 in 10 independents are already at the point of saying they 'disapprove' of the President, which is quite early in a new term to be that low. Usually there's some goodwill to start.
All of your "sources" are laughable. FAKE NEWS. NOW BLOCK ME TOO! WTFU!
"To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine
Phalanx wrote: ↑Wed Mar 26, 2025 11:28 pm
I'm just wondering where the lefty outrage was when Obama killed hundreds of civilians at weddings and funerals when he started the bombings in Yemen in 2014.
I've been done with both parties for a long time because those on the right approved of those same drone strikes in Yemen - there is no consistency of standards to either party because they are a Uni-Party and thinking otherwise is pure folly.
Can you post proof of this statement. And no Axios, or MSNDC, or CBS or NBC or ABC or any other FAKE NEWS will not be accepted as proof.
I noticed you left Fox News out of the Fake News Category, seems like a glaring omission if you're including all of those others.
In 2017 Trump ended a policy of releasing information about the people we recklessly murder with our Drones, because it's bad publicity to kill innocent people all the damn time.
Before taking office, Trump sometimes commented on Obama's drone strikes, tweeting in February 2013: "Obama can kill Americans at will with drones but waterboarding is not allowed—only in America!"
The tweet was an apparent reference to the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, the reputed New Mexico-born Al-Qaeda cleric who was killed in a 2011 drone strike in Yemen's Al-Jawf province. The previous year, the Obama administration had placed him on a CIA kill list after finding legal justification for the extrajudicial execution of a U.S. citizen accused of terrorism.
Of course you'll recall that Ron Wyden was totally okay with the extrajudicial murder of an American and now that Trump is deporting American Citizens you're going to be upset about that, right?
Phalanx wrote: ↑Wed Mar 26, 2025 11:28 pm
I'm just wondering where the lefty outrage was when Obama killed hundreds of civilians at weddings and funerals when he started the bombings in Yemen in 2014.
I've been done with both parties for a long time because those on the right approved of those same drone strikes in Yemen - there is no consistency of standards to either party because they are a Uni-Party and thinking otherwise is pure folly.
Can you post proof of this statement. And no Axios, or MSNDC, or CBS or NBC or ABC or any other FAKE NEWS will not be accepted as proof.
I noticed you left Fox News out of the Fake News Category, seems like a glaring omission if you're including all of those others.
In 2017 Trump ended a policy of releasing information about the people we recklessly murder with our Drones, because it's bad publicity to kill innocent people all the damn time.
Before taking office, Trump sometimes commented on Obama's drone strikes, tweeting in February 2013: "Obama can kill Americans at will with drones but waterboarding is not allowed—only in America!"
The tweet was an apparent reference to the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, the reputed New Mexico-born Al-Qaeda cleric who was killed in a 2011 drone strike in Yemen's Al-Jawf province. The previous year, the Obama administration had placed him on a CIA kill list after finding legal justification for the extrajudicial execution of a U.S. citizen accused of terrorism.
Of course you'll recall that Ron Wyden was totally okay with the extrajudicial murder of an American and now that Trump is deporting American Citizens you're going to be upset about that, right?
WOW you're so far off on that! I am 100% MAGA and TBH, when I hear people talking $hit about MAGA I tend to ignore them. I don't block them like the "tolerant, inclusive" leftists do however. Politics at some point has to be pushed aside for common sense approach to fixing BS. Politics is what has gotten us to the sad state we were in when O'BI`dumbs puppet finally went to the old folks home.
"To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine
nogerO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 27, 2025 10:44 am
WOW you're so far off on that! I am 100% MAGA and TBH, when I hear people talking $hit about MAGA I tend to ignore them. I don't block them like the "tolerant, inclusive" leftists do however. Politics at some point has to be pushed aside for common sense approach to fixing BS. Politics is what has gotten us to the sad state we were in when O'BI`dumbs puppet finally went to the old folks home.
Well you didn't actually refute anything I posted to cite where I'm off.
So as 100% MAGA, how much of your civil rights are you willing to remove in order to support the 100% MAGA agenda? Deporting Citizens and the removal of their Social Security Benefits along with numerous Civil Rights betrayals are fine for you? All while increasing the Military Budget for our new war with Iran via proxies?
Israel is surrounded by countries that are fundamentally and ideologically pre-disposed to want to wipe them off the map. And more specifically, there are two terrorist groups (Hamas/Hezbollah) that sit on their border and which are funded by other Islamic groups and the UN (crazy but true).
Any sovereign nation that has an event like October 7th, and is surrounded by groups that are intent on their destruction would be morally obligated to their people to respond with signicant force. Additionally, Hamas has built up infrastructure (through tunnel system) within Gaza that makes it impossible to infiltrate without collateral damage.
If you want to remove collateral damage, target other Islamic groups financially and defund the UN.
Additionally, I would propose that Israel's actions are in direct contrast to our (USA) own actions post 9/11. While Israel has been focused in their targeting of the groups responsible, we went into Iraq to overthrow Saddam who had nothing to do with 9/11, based off of a lie of WMD's.
And yes, the pager attack should be lauded for the fact that it was able to target the leaders of an Islamist terrorist group, while preventing almost any collateral damage. Amazing
As far as military funding is concerned, I mostly agree with 07 but think there are other factors that require discussion.
Military spending is obviously out of control and needs to be reigned in. That's clear.
On the flip side, I do think it is essential to maintain a the military arsenal that is able to stand up against the greatest powers in the world....and unfortunately, China has gone bonkers on military spending and building up their infrastructure.....keeping up with them militarily is not an option.
I suppose we can limit our spending in regards to military involvement in other countries, but then that also leaves a void to be filled by our adversaries, namely China. What is your view on that?
I personally am opposed to the involvement of the US in foreign affairs (with exception of Israel), but I do see some merit in the argument for involvement in the world affairs.....because we are the "World power" and in order to maintain that status it does require significant military presence,... and the withdrawal of that presence will lead to China filling the void and becoming the power of the world.....are we OK with that? I'd like to hear thoughts
Israel has no right to murder its own citizens and force them into enclaves against their will and give them second class rights and we shouldn't support a country that behaves like that.
As far as October 7th, international law states that an occupied group of people have a right to violent resistance while there is no law that grants Israel the right to bomb hospitals.
nogerO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 27, 2025 10:44 am
WOW you're so far off on that! I am 100% MAGA and TBH, when I hear people talking $hit about MAGA I tend to ignore them. I don't block them like the "tolerant, inclusive" leftists do however. Politics at some point has to be pushed aside for common sense approach to fixing BS. Politics is what has gotten us to the sad state we were in when O'BI`dumbs puppet finally went to the old folks home.
Well you didn't actually refute anything I posted to cite where I'm off.
So as 100% MAGA, how much of your civil rights are you willing to remove in order to support the 100% MAGA agenda? Deporting Citizens and the removal of their Social Security Benefits along with numerous Civil Rights betrayals are fine for you? All while increasing the Military Budget for our new war with Iran via proxies?
Trying to talk with a lefty is a losing proposition. Especially when they are armed to the teeth with their daily talking points from the view. You may block me too. Enjoy the show. We'll talk after it's over.
"To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine
Duck07 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 27, 2025 12:41 pm
Israel has no right to murder its own citizens and force them into enclaves against their will and give them second class rights and we shouldn't support a country that behaves like that.
As far as October 7th, international law states that an occupied group of people have a right to violent resistance while there is no law that grants Israel the right to bomb hospitals.
It's all pretty straightforward stuff.
Sure it seems straightforward when you frame everything from a completely slanted pointed of view.
Your mis-framing of words changes the whole context.
Instead of Hamas being an islamist group that committed a terror attack, they are a "resistance group that rightfully protected themselves".
Instead of giving nuanced discussion on territorial integrity/ethinicities/history land ownership, it is an "occupation".
Israel since its inception has faced risk of total annihilation unlike any other nation in the world.
I honestly don't understand your trying to defend Hamas as a rightful resistance group....they are intent on eradicating Israel off the map and indoctrinate their children to do the same. Your blindness in this area is revealing.
This is a 90/10 issue. Islam is fundamentally flawed and this is demonstrated in most of the military Islamic groups as having an intent to destroy Israel and the "west" and to establish a dominance of Islam throughout the world.
Contrarily, the values of the west do not aspire to set up such an empire through the world. Not to bring religion into it, but it's largely due to the judaeo-christian ethic, which is that the Christians are pilgrims in a foreign land and are looking forward to a future, better world, and know that the current world is corrupt and subject to eventual ruin....contrast that to the Islamic ethic which is to bring the known world into submission to Allah during our time on earth.
While America and the west have moved pretty far away from the judeo-christian thing, it is still pretty fundamental in who we are as a nation and our actions....
I think it should be pretty big consensus that the islamic set of values should be strongly opposed.
Hamas was founded by Netanyahu and Israel has refused to allow elections in Palestine since.
If you want to focus on just Hamas that's fine but it still doesn't grant any country the right to collective punishment and arguing that bombing civilians in another country through the use of the pager attacks doesn't lead to more safety but less.
Arguing on behalf of Zionist Israel is an insane position for any person of morals.
