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[Duck07]

What rules? Bretton Woods? WTO? These agreements were made in another lifetime and in a different world. The world powers change, and therefore you can't keep the dumbest trade policies while getting ripped off for decades on end.

Many of the previous "agreements" were made so that we would subsidize our foreign partners/allies through trade (i.e. they tariff us a ton) so that they could become economically viable (post-WW2) and in order for us to maintain military presence in their countries, as world powers do....however, this is not the same Europe of 70 years ago (Bretton)....also, it's not the same China as 30 years ago (Clinton) so you really think it makes sense to keep in place what is the dumbest trade policy for our current day?

Also, most of your posts seem to be short on any actual solutions for what is the largest problem facing the USA. Instead, you pick the low-hanging fruit of criticizing orange man without any proposed alternative.

I mean, I guess you are proposing is to keep our current trade policy as the status quo? Why? in order to not hurt the feelings of Europe? We can do a lot better.

Most of these agreements, like the ones with the EU, are of course largely recent and my primary concern with Trump 2.0 is the clear disregard for the Rule of Law that he's showing by giving himself Emperor-lite powers and declaring everything he does as lawful because of Article 2. That his hardcore followers are willing to accept lawlessness on his part and his administration is of course acceptable but when Biden did, well that was a problem. I'm sick of the double-standards and always have been.

Most of my proposed solutions have revolved around ending our endless foreign wars which fuel the worst of our behaviors on the global stage; anything further is just dumb because you rarely offer up the same level of discourse in response when I ask you to prove your position.

[dd10snoop28]

What rules? Bretton Woods? WTO? These agreements were made in another lifetime and in a different world. The world powers change, and therefore you can't keep the dumbest trade policies while getting ripped off for decades on end.

Many of the previous "agreements" were made so that we would subsidize our foreign partners/allies through trade (i.e. they tariff us a ton) so that they could become economically viable (post-WW2) and in order for us to maintain military presence in their countries, as world powers do....however, this is not the same Europe of 70 years ago (Bretton)....also, it's not the same China as 30 years ago (Clinton) so you really think it makes sense to keep in place what is the dumbest trade policy for our current day?

Also, most of your posts seem to be short on any actual solutions for what is the largest problem facing the USA. Instead, you pick the low-hanging fruit of criticizing orange man without any proposed alternative.

I mean, I guess you are proposing is to keep our current trade policy as the status quo? Why? in order to not hurt the feelings of Europe? We can do a lot better.

Most of these agreements, like the ones with the EU, are of course largely recent and my primary concern with Trump 2.0 is the clear disregard for the Rule of Law that he's showing by giving himself Emperor-lite powers and declaring everything he does as lawful because of Article 2. That his hardcore followers are willing to accept lawlessness on his part and his administration is of course acceptable but when Biden did, well that was a problem. I'm sick of the double-standards and always have been.

Most of my proposed solutions have revolved around ending our endless foreign wars which fuel the worst of our behaviors on the global stage; anything further is just dumb because you rarely offer up the same level of discourse in response when I ask you to prove your position.

I fail to see how that addresses the problem. Our trade policy will still suck. We haven't been in a direct endless war since exit from Afghanistan, yet our economic situation has gotten the worst it has ever been since then. Also, I don't recall a single post where I didn't directly address a response of yours, so that's a weird response. Most of your posts are low on specifics anyways and high on generic platitudes (people who don't agree w/ me take don't understand Econ 101/102... or trump is an emperor) , so it's a credit to me to actually try to respond to them.

It's easy to shout from the sidelines about "both sides", while not offering a realistic solution.

In what actions is he acting like an emperor? Be specific. And what has current president done that is different than the prior ones? Be specific.

[Duck07]

In what actions is he acting like an emperor? Be specific. And what has current president done that is different than the prior ones? Be specific.

What's the point when you act in such poor faith. Yes, he's doing things Biden did too, but you want above and beyond from that as if doing the same things that Biden did illegally make it okay for him. I could go there but you wouldn't care, obviously.

Meanwhile, bragging about committing a War Crime by violating the War Powers Act and dropping bombs on people celebrating Eid in Yemen is cool with you because they might be "terrorists" just like the 14 year old American as one example that doesn't matter to you to say nothing of his clear over-reach on the Tariffs. Having the Justice Dept ignore the blatant Espionage Act violation doesn't matter of course, nor does the blatant disregard for Due Process rights for anyone in America, whether here legally or not, because the rights granted in our Constitution are inalienable.

[dd10snoop28]

In what actions is he acting like an emperor? Be specific. And what has current president done that is different than the prior ones? Be specific.

What's the point when you act in such poor faith. Yes, he's doing things Biden did too, but you want above and beyond from that as if doing the same things that Biden did illegally make it okay for him. I could go there but you wouldn't care, obviously.

Meanwhile, bragging about committing a War Crime by violating the War Powers Act and dropping bombs on people celebrating Eid in Yemen is cool with you because they might be "terrorists" just like the 14 year old American as one example that doesn't matter to you to say nothing of his clear over-reach on the Tariffs. Having the Justice Dept ignore the blatant Espionage Act violation doesn't matter of course, nor does the blatant disregard for Due Process rights for anyone in America, whether here legally or not, because the rights granted in our Constitution are inalienable.

People disagreeing with you doesn't mean they operate in poor faith.

An example of operating in bad faith would be what your whole second paragraph is doing, and what you have done throughout the discussion:
1- assume people's positions (and also creating straw men from those assumed positions)
2- refrain from addressing specific points
3- continual appeal to the moral superiority of your positions as basis for argument

I don't care to discuss any further, but just know that when you say operating in "poor faith", it's exactly what you've been doing the entire time.

It's unfortunate because I am genuinely interested to hear what your proposed economic/trade policy suggestions are and how that would address our current trajectory as a nation.

[pudgejeff]

In what actions is he acting like an emperor? Be specific. And what has current president done that is different than the prior ones? Be specific.

What's the point when you act in such poor faith. Yes, he's doing things Biden did too, but you want above and beyond from that as if doing the same things that Biden did illegally make it okay for him. I could go there but you wouldn't care, obviously.

Meanwhile, bragging about committing a War Crime by violating the War Powers Act and dropping bombs on people celebrating Eid in Yemen is cool with you because they might be "terrorists" just like the 14 year old American as one example that doesn't matter to you to say nothing of his clear over-reach on the Tariffs. Having the Justice Dept ignore the blatant Espionage Act violation doesn't matter of course, nor does the blatant disregard for Due Process rights for anyone in America, whether here legally or not, because the rights granted in our Constitution are inalienable.

People disagreeing with you doesn't mean they operate in poor faith.

An example of operating in bad faith would be what your whole second paragraph is doing, and what you have done throughout the discussion:
1- assume people's positions (and also creating straw men from those assumed positions)
2- refrain from addressing specific points
3- continual appeal to the moral superiority of your positions as basis for argument

I don't care to discuss any further, but just know that when you say operating in "poor faith", it's exactly what you've been doing the entire time.

It's unfortunate because I am genuinely interested to hear what your proposed economic/trade policy suggestions are and how that would address our current trajectory as a nation.

Hahaha

Asks for specifics, is given specifics. Resorts to attacks, has no response, and then stands with "Moral superiority" while attempting to use buzz words to not have to address anything.

Then ends trying to sound like the victim in the situation, while asking a question you have zero answer for, and your version of a good answer is well "he's doing something, even if it's a terrible idea at least he's doing something".

I'll give you a thought, you wonder about the national debt, maybe they roll back all the tax breaks from 2017, bring back the taxes on the super wealthy and businesses, re-institute some reasonable sort of wage cap to bring most wages up and exorbitant wages down so that money stops consolidating in places where it will never be spent and can then flow through our economy and tax system properly.

[dd10snoop28]

In what actions is he acting like an emperor? Be specific. And what has current president done that is different than the prior ones? Be specific.

What's the point when you act in such poor faith. Yes, he's doing things Biden did too, but you want above and beyond from that as if doing the same things that Biden did illegally make it okay for him. I could go there but you wouldn't care, obviously.

Meanwhile, bragging about committing a War Crime by violating the War Powers Act and dropping bombs on people celebrating Eid in Yemen is cool with you because they might be "terrorists" just like the 14 year old American as one example that doesn't matter to you to say nothing of his clear over-reach on the Tariffs. Having the Justice Dept ignore the blatant Espionage Act violation doesn't matter of course, nor does the blatant disregard for Due Process rights for anyone in America, whether here legally or not, because the rights granted in our Constitution are inalienable.

People disagreeing with you doesn't mean they operate in poor faith.

An example of operating in bad faith would be what your whole second paragraph is doing, and what you have done throughout the discussion:
1- assume people's positions (and also creating straw men from those assumed positions)
2- refrain from addressing specific points
3- continual appeal to the moral superiority of your positions as basis for argument

I don't care to discuss any further, but just know that when you say operating in "poor faith", it's exactly what you've been doing the entire time.

It's unfortunate because I am genuinely interested to hear what your proposed economic/trade policy suggestions are and how that would address our current trajectory as a nation.

I'll give you a thought, you wonder about the national debt, maybe they roll back all the tax breaks from 2017, bring back the taxes on the super wealthy and businesses, re-institute some reasonable sort of wage cap to bring most wages up and exorbitant wages down so that money stops consolidating in places where it will never be spent and can then flow through our economy and tax system properly.

Since the creation of the income tax system, we've continually moved toward a more progressive form of taxation. In the past 20+ years, the progressive tax rates have become even more amplified. The income tax system is at the point where a good chunk of american actually are being subsidized by other taxapayers because the combination of the chlid tax credit and earned income tax credit creates a net refund (i.e. subsidy) from the federal government.

Also, i saw a graph the other day that showed that the total amount of collection of income taxes by the treasury as a percetnage of GDP has been basically the same since the 1960s. So total amount of collection really hasn't changed much.

Additionally, the top 5% of income earners continue to fund a higher percentage of total income taxes. For example, the top 5% accounted for 43% of all income taxes in 1990 while that number is at 61% as of 2022. Not sure how much of that is because of the growing wealth divide so could be a moot point.

All that to say: if you look at the financial statements of the federal government, we don't have a revenue problem. We have an expenditure problem. That should be crystal clear. Additionally, our system of taxation is unfair in the opposite way that you believe it is.

Also, your wage cap idea wouldn't even do much to advance the progressive income tax philisophy.... since probably around 99% of the taxable income generated by the ultra-wealthy does not come from w-2 wages.

And most of the discussion in this thread hasn't been about the national debt....it's been about our philisophy when it comes to trade policy.

[dd10snoop28]

In what actions is he acting like an emperor? Be specific. And what has current president done that is different than the prior ones? Be specific.

What's the point when you act in such poor faith. Yes, he's doing things Biden did too, but you want above and beyond from that as if doing the same things that Biden did illegally make it okay for him. I could go there but you wouldn't care, obviously.

Meanwhile, bragging about committing a War Crime by violating the War Powers Act and dropping bombs on people celebrating Eid in Yemen is cool with you because they might be "terrorists" just like the 14 year old American as one example that doesn't matter to you to say nothing of his clear over-reach on the Tariffs. Having the Justice Dept ignore the blatant Espionage Act violation doesn't matter of course, nor does the blatant disregard for Due Process rights for anyone in America, whether here legally or not, because the rights granted in our Constitution are inalienable.

People disagreeing with you doesn't mean they operate in poor faith.

An example of operating in bad faith would be what your whole second paragraph is doing, and what you have done throughout the discussion:
1- assume people's positions (and also creating straw men from those assumed positions)
2- refrain from addressing specific points
3- continual appeal to the moral superiority of your positions as basis for argument

I don't care to discuss any further, but just know that when you say operating in "poor faith", it's exactly what you've been doing the entire time.

It's unfortunate because I am genuinely interested to hear what your proposed economic/trade policy suggestions are and how that would address our current trajectory as a nation.

while asking a question you have zero answer for, and your version of a good answer is well "he's doing something, even if it's a terrible idea at least he's doing something".

Holy cow. That's a big twist of what i've said in this thread. I'll bring it back to civility:

Of all of the actions being take by current administaration to fix the ticking time-bomb of the US economy, the tariffs are the the hardest to predict because it has the most variables involved (third-party nations, corporations, financial markets, investors etc...) and we are talking about the global economy. If i said that the tariffs were guaranteed to produce the desired result (stop subsidizing allied nations, prevent Chinese domination, return manufacturing to America) at little short-term impact to the economy, that'd be a lie. We don't know how the other nations will react to the tariffs. We don't know how domestic companies will react. We don't know how wal-street will react. We can guess, but too many unknowns to know how this will shake out. That's why i said that the Trump tariffs may/may not work. You said that i thought it was a terrible idea? That's not what i said at all. The concept/idea is solid and much needed change from the status quo.

[StevensTechU]

In what actions is he acting like an emperor? Be specific. And what has current president done that is different than the prior ones? Be specific.

What's the point when you act in such poor faith. Yes, he's doing things Biden did too, but you want above and beyond from that as if doing the same things that Biden did illegally make it okay for him. I could go there but you wouldn't care, obviously.

Meanwhile, bragging about committing a War Crime by violating the War Powers Act and dropping bombs on people celebrating Eid in Yemen is cool with you because they might be "terrorists" just like the 14 year old American as one example that doesn't matter to you to say nothing of his clear over-reach on the Tariffs. Having the Justice Dept ignore the blatant Espionage Act violation doesn't matter of course, nor does the blatant disregard for Due Process rights for anyone in America, whether here legally or not, because the rights granted in our Constitution are inalienable.

People disagreeing with you doesn't mean they operate in poor faith.

An example of operating in bad faith would be what your whole second paragraph is doing, and what you have done throughout the discussion:
1- assume people's positions (and also creating straw men from those assumed positions)
2- refrain from addressing specific points
3- continual appeal to the moral superiority of your positions as basis for argument

I don't care to discuss any further, but just know that when you say operating in "poor faith", it's exactly what you've been doing the entire time.

It's unfortunate because I am genuinely interested to hear what your proposed economic/trade policy suggestions are and how that would address our current trajectory as a nation.

Hahaha

Asks for specifics, is given specifics. Resorts to attacks, has no response, and then stands with "Moral superiority" while attempting to use buzz words to not have to address anything.

Then ends trying to sound like the victim in the situation, while asking a question you have zero answer for, and your version of a good answer is well "he's doing something, even if it's a terrible idea at least he's doing something".

I'll give you a thought, you wonder about the national debt, maybe they roll back all the tax breaks from 2017, bring back the taxes on the super wealthy and businesses, re-institute some reasonable sort of wage cap to bring most wages up and exorbitant wages down so that money stops consolidating in places where it will never be spent and can then flow through our economy and tax system properly.

Nah man, that's communism! But attacking business leaders publicly, threatening them if they increase product costs, extorting private law firms, throwing out lawsuits against businesses with political donors, awarding contracts to the companies owned by people in government, and putting high taxes on companies as a way of extorting them for favor - definitely not communism!

PS, I'm happy to cite everything I said above. And we're only 3 months into this s***.

[pezsez1]

I haven't looked in on this section in months! Looks as fiery as ever.

Nah man, that's communism! But attacking business leaders publicly, threatening them if they increase product costs, extorting private law firms, throwing out lawsuits against businesses with political donors, awarding contracts to the companies owned by people in government, and putting high taxes on companies as a way of extorting them for favor - definitely not communism!

Hey, don't forget about "giving bailouts to states/industries where you have broad electoral support." In 2019, it was massive taxpayer bailouts to midwest farmers to offset the harm from tariffs.

We will absolutely see more taxpayer-funded bailouts if/when Trump's new trade war wrecks the economy enough. I'm going to call it now though and say only businesses/corporations in red states will get bailouts. Workers & businesses in blue states will be left to rot as punishment for not kissing the ring.

(Totally not communism!)

Anyway, returning now to my offseason walk in the woods.

[dd10snoop28]

In what actions is he acting like an emperor? Be specific. And what has current president done that is different than the prior ones? Be specific.

What's the point when you act in such poor faith. Yes, he's doing things Biden did too, but you want above and beyond from that as if doing the same things that Biden did illegally make it okay for him. I could go there but you wouldn't care, obviously.

Meanwhile, bragging about committing a War Crime by violating the War Powers Act and dropping bombs on people celebrating Eid in Yemen is cool with you because they might be "terrorists" just like the 14 year old American as one example that doesn't matter to you to say nothing of his clear over-reach on the Tariffs. Having the Justice Dept ignore the blatant Espionage Act violation doesn't matter of course, nor does the blatant disregard for Due Process rights for anyone in America, whether here legally or not, because the rights granted in our Constitution are inalienable.

People disagreeing with you doesn't mean they operate in poor faith.

An example of operating in bad faith would be what your whole second paragraph is doing, and what you have done throughout the discussion:
1- assume people's positions (and also creating straw men from those assumed positions)
2- refrain from addressing specific points
3- continual appeal to the moral superiority of your positions as basis for argument

I don't care to discuss any further, but just know that when you say operating in "poor faith", it's exactly what you've been doing the entire time.

It's unfortunate because I am genuinely interested to hear what your proposed economic/trade policy suggestions are and how that would address our current trajectory as a nation.

Hahaha

Asks for specifics, is given specifics. Resorts to attacks, has no response, and then stands with "Moral superiority" while attempting to use buzz words to not have to address anything.

Then ends trying to sound like the victim in the situation, while asking a question you have zero answer for, and your version of a good answer is well "he's doing something, even if it's a terrible idea at least he's doing something".

Your post is dripping with vindictiveness.

Those were not specifics.

Nothing I said was an attack. Just observations.

I did not utilize the moral superiority argument. You read it wrong.

That's not being a victim. I want to hear what people's thoughts are for fixing our economic system (the whole basis of this discussion), but alas, you read everything I say with the illest of intents.

And I already addressed your last part.

Now go address the substantive rebuttal of your flawed reasoning that revenue is the problem with our national debt.

[nogerO]

I haven't looked in on this section in months! Looks as fiery as ever.

Nah man, that's communism! But attacking business leaders publicly, threatening them if they increase product costs, extorting private law firms, throwing out lawsuits against businesses with political donors, awarding contracts to the companies owned by people in government, and putting high taxes on companies as a way of extorting them for favor - definitely not communism!

Hey, don't forget about "giving bailouts to states/industries where you have broad electoral support." In 2019, it was massive taxpayer bailouts to midwest farmers to offset the harm from tariffs.

We will absolutely see more taxpayer-funded bailouts if/when Trump's new trade war wrecks the economy enough. I'm going to call it now though and say only businesses/corporations in red states will get bailouts. Workers & businesses in blue states will be left to rot as punishment for not kissing the ring.

(Totally not communism!)

Anyway, returning now to my offseason walk in the woods.

How about letting 15-20 million illegals in and giving them everything they could need to survive so that they can vote democrat in every future election? Or how about bringing in illegally, on democrat paid for international flights hundreds of thousands of illegals to specific areas where the conservatives have a small advantage in the elections to insure democratic victories? TDS is quite amusing and sad. Tell whoopi and joy hello.

[nogerO]

I haven't looked in on this section in months! Looks as fiery as ever.

Nah man, that's communism! But attacking business leaders publicly, threatening them if they increase product costs, extorting private law firms, throwing out lawsuits against businesses with political donors, awarding contracts to the companies owned by people in government, and putting high taxes on companies as a way of extorting them for favor - definitely not communism!

Hey, don't forget about "giving bailouts to states/industries where you have broad electoral support." In 2019, it was massive taxpayer bailouts to midwest farmers to offset the harm from tariffs.

We will absolutely see more taxpayer-funded bailouts if/when Trump's new trade war wrecks the economy enough. I'm going to call it now though and say only businesses/corporations in red states will get bailouts. Workers & businesses in blue states will be left to rot as punishment for not kissing the ring.

(Totally not communism!)

Anyway, returning now to my offseason walk in the woods.

How about letting 15-20 million illegals in and giving them everything they could need to survive so that they can vote democrat in every future election? Or how about bringing in illegally, on democrat paid for international flights hundreds of thousands of illegals to specific areas where the conservatives have a small advantage in the elections to insure democratic victories? TDS is quite amusing and sad. Tell whoopi and joy hello. Trump, Trump, Trump!

[ElPatoLoco]

I haven't looked in on this section in months! Looks as fiery as ever.

Nah man, that's communism! But attacking business leaders publicly, threatening them if they increase product costs, extorting private law firms, throwing out lawsuits against businesses with political donors, awarding contracts to the companies owned by people in government, and putting high taxes on companies as a way of extorting them for favor - definitely not communism!

Hey, don't forget about "giving bailouts to states/industries where you have broad electoral support." In 2019, it was massive taxpayer bailouts to midwest farmers to offset the harm from tariffs.

We will absolutely see more taxpayer-funded bailouts if/when Trump's new trade war wrecks the economy enough. I'm going to call it now though and say only businesses/corporations in red states will get bailouts. Workers & businesses in blue states will be left to rot as punishment for not kissing the ring.

(Totally not communism!)

Anyway, returning now to my offseason walk in the woods.

How about letting 15-20 million illegals in and giving them everything they could need to survive so that they can vote democrat in every future election? Or how about bringing in illegally, on democrat paid for international flights hundreds of thousands of illegals to specific areas where the conservatives have a small advantage in the elections to insure democratic victories? TDS is quite amusing and sad. Tell whoopi and joy hello. Trump, Trump, Trump!

How about responding with something factual. It's hard to take someone serious when you spew this nonsense.

- who's letting in 15-20 illegals? So that they can vote democrat?? Sure. Where is the proof of this massive voting scandal?

- What benefits are illegals entitled to? They aren't lining up to get social security. Oh and they can't vote you do know that, right? Did you know that illegals pay income tax? probably not.

- democrats bringing illegals on a plane?? that's a new one for me. If they were refugees or people seeking asylum and the government was helping Guess what? They aren't illegal.

Nothing more annoying than an angry person that doesn't at least come to a discussion with facts.

What are you going to tell me next - Trump wont the 2020 election or that tariffs are the best thing ever.

[pezsez1]

How about responding with something factual. It's hard to take someone serious when you spew this nonsense.

You can't argue with crazy, but you can talk football with them.

[dd10snoop28]

- who's letting in 15-20 illegals? So that they can vote democrat?? Sure. Where is the proof of this massive voting scandal?

I don't care about sides, but it's obvious to everybody that it is the democratic party that has aggressively pursued policies that promote illegal aliens entering America. Before Obama's DACA, this wasn't a controversial subject and both sides generally agreed that we need to prevent illegal aliens from coming to America. As far as "who" is letting the illegals in, the most significant increase in illegal entries in American history occured under Biden, and it makes sense because literally every single policy/executive order promoted it:
-Biden changes in policy that allow for anyone to claim asylum status without substantiation
-change in remain-in-Mexico policy for alleged "Assylum-seekers"
-tons of changes to DHS and Border Patrol internal policies that prevent them from doing their job
-Biden actively saying before/after 2020 election that he will have soft stance on illegals (i.e. won't criminalize illegal entry)
-hundreds of videos of illegals during 2020-2023 saying that they are coming to America because of the Biden administration.
-proven funding of NGO operations by our federal government in Central America that actually helped to facilitate the migration of latinos and those coming across the ocean.
-proven funding of non-profits, cities/localities, and NGO's in cities on the border to provide free housing/feed/care to illegal aliens who crossed the border.
-this funding came from FEMA and DHS and is in the hundreds of billions of dollars.

That's just scratching the surface. The "who" really isn't a debate at this point.

- What benefits are illegals entitled to? They aren't lining up to get social security. Oh and they can't vote you do know that, right? Did you know that illegals pay income tax? probably not.

See above where federal government is subsidizing / providing free housing and food for illegal aliens through NGO's, local gov't, and non-profits for when they cross the border.

Additionally, once they settle into a city/state, many of the blue states provide medicaid (partially funded by federal gov't), free/subsidized healthcare (through federal Obamacare), free/subsidized housing (some federal and some state), and free/subsidized food without needing to prove status of citizenship. Oregon is an example of this. I think it was in 2021 when Oregon changed state policy through OHA to permit "non-citizens" to obtain free/subsidized health insurance.

In regards to your point about illegals paying taxes, this is mostly wrong. Most low-income, multi-member illegal families don't actually pay any taxes on their federal tax return. In fact, they will usually be getting a refund on their federal tax returns (i.e. illegal benefits) because of the child tax credits and earned-income tax credits. Here is an article/video that shows a non-profit passing out flyers in NYC telling illegals that they should file their tax returns in order to get a refund: https://www.newsweek.com/tax-company-ja ... nd-2054389

RE: illegals voting....The argument isn't that fraud has or hasn't occurred, but rather that many states have ZERO controls to prevent illegals from voting. The systems in place make it extremely easy for illegals to vote in elections. You are saying that it "can't" happen because it's illegal, but who cares if something is or isn't illegal if it's easier than pie to vote illegally? Based off of that alone, and the fact that had 15m new illegals since 2020, it is almost guaranteed that thousands of illegals (at a minimum) voted illegally in 2024. My guess is somewhere between 5-10,000 voted illegally, but wouldn't be surprised if it's more.

- democrats bringing illegals on a plane?? that's a new one for me. If they were refugees or people seeking asylum and the government was helping Guess what? They aren't illegal.

Why would that be new to you? Why do you think that hotels in NYC are being overrun by illegal aliens for the past 3 years? How did they get there? It cost American taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars to fund illegals.

The vast majority of the $8.2m people that claimed asylum during 2020-2023 will end up not qualifying asylum (it's usually 15% or less), but the policies of the previous administration (Title 32/Remain in Mexico) helped to facilitate this illegal entry into America. You can attach "legal" to it, but it is nothing of the sort.

Illegals know that if they come to America and claim asylum, then they can come into America to work and probably won't actually go through the asylum process for 5+ years.

All of these policies are the most insane policies ever.

What are you going to tell me next - Trump wont the 2020 election or that tariffs are the best thing ever.

Yes on the first. TBD on the second.