Seriously, how did we land De'Anthony Thomas?

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buckmarkduck wrote:Funny thing about this thread, is LMJ said in an interview he thought Eugene was to big and almost didn't come here, but loved the beauty and the school to much. I guess it's all a point of view.
Eugene is big when compared to Texarkana, TX.

Texarkana, TX (2000 census): 34,782 (probably closer to 40,000 now)
Eugene, OR (2008 census): 154,620
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Zyme wrote:It was the great republican (and I'm a democrat) Governor tom McCall that said "There are two thing that Oregonians hate, Density and Sprawl"
Did he mean this as a joke? You can't limit development zones without creating greater density. Maybe what some people really want is some kind of population/immigration control in Oregon.
greenyellow wrote:I doubt we'll see the type of sprawl that has occurred in a lot of urban areas here in Oregon. People are used to nature up here so anything that disturbed that too much would likely not fly. I think that's also why a lot of Californians come up here, but they bring other things that are not so welcomed (not going to get into too much political BS here).
There is an abundance of nature in California. A person doesn't need to move to Oregon in order to live around nature. Granted, the climates and resulting types of nature are different depending on which parts of each state and some people might prefer the greenness of Oregon. But, like I said at the beginning of this, that has more to do with location relative to the equator than the effects of land use laws.

Allowing development to accommodate population growth and to improve property value for citizens and businesses would not substantially change Oregonians ability to enjoy the abundance of remaining nature.
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When there was a major upgrade to the BART system under way, a friend of mine who lives in Tiburo sent me a news clip about the project... One of the trucks ran over a garter snake and there was a huge environmental impact study that had to be completed before the project could proceed.

Garter Snakes? Really!
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woundedknees wrote:When there was a major upgrade to the BART system under way, a friend of mine who lives in Tiburo sent me a news clip about the project... One of the trucks ran over a garter snake and there was a huge environmental impact study that had to be completed before the project could proceed.

Garter Snakes? Really!
And people wonder why things don't get done faster.
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wheaton4prez wrote:
Zyme wrote:It was the great republican (and I'm a democrat) Governor tom McCall that said "There are two thing that Oregonians hate, Density and Sprawl"
Did he mean this as a joke? You can't limit development zones without creating greater density. Maybe what some people really want is some kind of population/immigration control in Oregon.
No, he meant that Oregonians didn't want anyone moving to the state.
greenyellow wrote:I doubt we'll see the type of sprawl that has occurred in a lot of urban areas here in Oregon. People are used to nature up here so anything that disturbed that too much would likely not fly. I think that's also why a lot of Californians come up here, but they bring other things that are not so welcomed (not going to get into too much political BS here).
There is an abundance of nature in California. A person doesn't need to move to Oregon in order to live around nature. Granted, the climates and resulting types of nature are different depending on which parts of each state and some people might prefer the greenness of Oregon. But, like I said at the beginning of this, that has more to do with location relative to the equator than the effects of land use laws.

Allowing development to accommodate population growth and to improve property value for citizens and businesses would not substantially change Oregonians ability to enjoy the abundance of remaining nature.
The less sprawl and less contiguous urban zone, the more people feel like they are living next to nature. It's a lot better living near it than having to make a special trip to enjoy it.
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Handsome Dan wrote:No, he meant that Oregonians didn't want anyone moving to the state.
If that's true, he shouldn't have moved here from Massachusetts.

What about having kids? Is that also a no-no? Or, can we have kids as long as we require that they move out of state once they get to home-ownership age?
Handsome Dan wrote:The less sprawl and less contiguous urban zone, the more people feel like they are living next to nature. It's a lot better living near it than having to make a special trip to enjoy it.
Inner-city residents having to drive an additional 10 minutes to see more trees is a small price to pay to enable thousands or more people to have a home to call their own or have a job.

Besides, if an urban area is larger, doesn't that mean that the length of the border must necessarily be longer? In other words, more people are "living next to nature" when the border of the city is longer.
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wheaton4prez wrote:
Handsome Dan wrote:No, he meant that Oregonians didn't want anyone moving to the state.
If that's true, he shouldn't have moved here from Massachusetts.

What about having kids? Is that also a no-no? Or, can we have kids as long as we require that they move out of state once they get to home-ownership age?
I meant expansion of the state's population, sorry.
Handsome Dan wrote:The less sprawl and less contiguous urban zone, the more people feel like they are living next to nature. It's a lot better living near it than having to make a special trip to enjoy it.
Inner-city residents having to drive an additional 10 minutes to see more trees is a small price to pay to enable thousands or more people to have a home to call their own or have a job.

Besides, if an urban area is larger, doesn't that mean that the length of the border must necessarily be longer? In other words, more people are "living next to nature" when the border of the city is longer.
It doesn't feel like you are "next to nature" if you are at the edge of a giant urban area. I've resided at the edge of Eugene and in Central Oregon, and although I was ostensibly "next to nature" both times, Central Oregon felt way more pristine and untouched than Eugene did.

Also, you seem to subscribe to the philosophy that endless expansion of the human population is a positive thing. Why is it good if our cities keep constantly expanding. Our natural resources are finite, after all.
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Maybe there should be a seperate topic about density and sprawl and politics etc....Seriously how did we land De'Anthony Thomas was the thread title. So..how did Oregon land him? haha
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duckfan96 wrote:Maybe there should be a seperate topic about density and sprawl and politics etc....Seriously how did we land De'Anthony Thomas was the thread title. So..how did Oregon land him? haha
I'm glad you're not the only one who sees the obvious land rights issues at play here. Clearly this is a R2 zone, and due to the nearby wetlands, your request for I3 is denied.
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greenyellow wrote:
buckmarkduck wrote:Funny thing about this thread, is LMJ said in an interview he thought Eugene was to big and almost didn't come here, but loved the beauty and the school to much. I guess it's all a point of view.
Eugene is big when compared to Texarkana, TX.

Texarkana, TX (2000 census): 34,782 (probably closer to 40,000 now)
Eugene, OR (2008 census): 154,620
I think you really have to take this into account. ;)

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endene wrote:
greenyellow wrote:
buckmarkduck wrote:Funny thing about this thread, is LMJ said in an interview he thought Eugene was to big and almost didn't come here, but loved the beauty and the school to much. I guess it's all a point of view.
Eugene is big when compared to Texarkana, TX.

Texarkana, TX (2000 census): 34,782 (probably closer to 40,000 now)
Eugene, OR (2008 census): 154,620
I think you really have to take this into account. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnRwQjTYfGI
(around 1:40)
You get a lot of people like down there, but there are a lot like them up here once you leave Eugene.
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Handsome Dan wrote:I meant expansion of the state's population, sorry.
That's what I meant also. Having children expands a state's population.
Handsome Dan wrote:It doesn't feel like you are "next to nature" if you are at the edge of a giant urban area. I've resided at the edge of Eugene and in Central Oregon, and although I was ostensibly "next to nature" both times, Central Oregon felt way more pristine and untouched than Eugene did.
Probably because there was more nature scattered in between the people in Central Oregon. In other words, people were more sprawled about the country rather than forced to live on top of each other with a tiny or no yard in a densely populated area.
Handsome Dan wrote:Also, you seem to subscribe to the philosophy that endless expansion of the human population is a positive thing. Why is it good if our cities keep constantly expanding. Our natural resources are finite, after all.
My philosophy is in consideration of the needs of all people. It's easy to stand against change if you already like your situation as it is. I'm thinking of the young family just starting out and wanting to have a yard for their children to play in or to have a job to provide with.

Also, it is an assumption for me that it isn't up to myself or any other individual whether or not people can decide to have children and expand the human population. The alternative to this assumption is pretty nasty as seen in places like China.

Most natural resources are not finite. Most of them restore over time. Even areas "touched by humans" will eventually over-grow again if left alone. That said, the amount of nature affected by human dwelling has been grossly exaggerated by anti-sprawl people. Saying that California, one of the most naturally beautiful and diverse states in the country has been ruined by sprawl is an example.
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duckfan96 wrote:....Seriously how did we land De'Anthony Thomas was the thread title. So..how did Oregon land him? haha
This train left the tracks a long time ago. ;)
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Bigducker wrote:
duckfan96 wrote:....Seriously how did we land De'Anthony Thomas was the thread title. So..how did Oregon land him? haha
This train left the tracks a long time ago. ;)
See, we're (finally) trying to make the transition to high-speed rail but still having some problems with how quickly they can get out of hand :D
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Wheaton, I gotta bite.

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