Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment

[pezsez1]

Such a path most likely doesnt exist. Any competent UW/UO administration would've taken that path months ago if it existed

Nah, that wouldn't have made sense. You consider a move to the B1G because it's a legit step up. The Big-12 is a crappier version of the Pac-12 that's actually about to get crappier by adding Colorado.

[ducks5ever]

i was referring to the move to the Big10. Theres *most likely* nothing to consider [as far as a move to the Big 10 goes] because there is no invite even if we asked for one.

Anyways, good day to you. This stuff should move quickly now as no one wants to be left standing when the music stops playing. In fact, that's probably exactly why Colorado took a proactive approach and was the first to leave.

[pezsez1]

Agree, if domino's fall they'll fall now or not at all.

[Kimber45]

i was referring to the move to the Big10.

Maybe Oregon should join the ACC? Yes? No?

[squintsdd]

i was referring to the move to the Big10.

Maybe Oregon should join the ACC? Yes? No?

What sense would that make unless the remainder of the Pac and ACC were to form an all new conference? People complain about the travel if Oregon were to join the B1G, imagine if they join the ACC.

[Duck07]

i was referring to the move to the Big10.

Maybe Oregon should join the ACC? Yes? No?

What sense would that make unless the remainder of the Pac and ACC were to form an all new conference? People complain about the travel if Oregon were to join the B1G, imagine if they join the ACC.

If the PAC and ACC joined, it would see us make at most 2 trips east in 1 season, maybe a 3rd for a Championship Game type event.

Neither league is full, but neither are they empty. It would be something akin to a scheduling pact like they talked about in order to bolster the leagues OOC schedules with consistency but I doubt it would feature more than 3 games a year in it. \

I think its a better idea of exploring than trying to create and join a Big 20. ACC+PAC basketball would also be a great show and the ACC also has had some strong WBB teams in the past.

Losing Colorado just doesn't feel like a real loss, especially when the excitement for CU is 100% because of Deion. It actually feels kind of like a pathetic move for the Big 12 (16) to make.

[ducks5ever]

i was referring to the move to the Big10.

Maybe Oregon should join the ACC? Yes? No?

The ACC media contract is atrocious. Teams should be looking to leave it [they cant because of very expensive breakup clauses], not looking to join that dumpster fire.

[Duck07]

i was referring to the move to the Big10.

Maybe Oregon should join the ACC? Yes? No?

The ACC media contract is atrocious. Teams should be looking to leave it [they cant because of very expensive breakup clauses], not looking to join that dumpster fire.

I think they'd be separate entities and they'd try "The Alliance" that they had talked about it.

[Duck07]

It's a good thing we extended Mullens contract to 2030 last August.

One issue getting brought up is how the Pac Presidents/BoT are culpable for being stuck in the dark ages regarding athletics and I'm grateful we clearly don't have that issue even if that problem led to what may be the demise of the league.

I still think it makes the most sense to make a west coast Pac work but Rob will steer the ship to the best harbor.

[pezsez1]

I still think it makes the most sense to make a west coast Pac work but Rob will steer the ship to the best harbor.

Agree. My first reaction to the news of Colorado bolting was "whoa," but when thinking through available options the best alternative still seems to be staying the course (for now) and keeping the Pac alive.

The Big-12 is the ultimate lateral move and adding the Pac's worst team doesn't really help with that. The Pac still has better brands and more competitive teams with expansion options and covetted nighttime programming. Obviously, losing a school is bad for stability, but I'm curious to see actual Day 2 reporting on this and to find out whether the commissioner has any moves up his sleeve. Also curious to see what kind of statements come out from other Pac athletic departments/presidents' offices.

This could be the start of dominos falling, but if there really is a framework for a Pac media deal that's close to approval then the response to Colorado's departure should be a resounding "oh." Denver is a good-sized media market (maybe third or fourth of the remaining Pac teams) but that could easily be replaced while having one fewer mouth to feed in the meantime.

If anything, Colorado's departure should put pressure on all parties involved (Pac, Apple, ESPN, etc) to work with greater urgency to wrap things up. That has to be especially true for streaming partners which have been aggressively seeking partners in the sports landscape. You'd think a potential streaming partner would have just as much on the line re: the conference's survival.

But if the media deal really is just a big bag of hope then I also trust Mullens will guide us to the best possible outcome.

[wlduck]

My best guess as to the scenarios in order of most likely:

Oregon ( and probably Washington, maybe more) join the Big 12.

Oregon and Washington join the Big 10 with a greatly reduced tv payout share. They have no leverage and would probably take whatever share the Big 10 offered.

The PAC simply swaps SDSU for CU. This would be the number 1 scenario if league management was better.

[dthomas=ddixon]

I just don’t see where you can find any optimism that the PAC will figure this out and stick together.

CU left because there’s still no answer on a TV deal. Losing CU isn’t going to help, so it will continue to drag on and spur other schools to jump ship. Seems like the least likely scenario is the conference salvaging things and staying together.

[squintsdd]

i was referring to the move to the Big10.

Maybe Oregon should join the ACC? Yes? No?

What sense would that make unless the remainder of the Pac and ACC were to form an all new conference? People complain about the travel if Oregon were to join the B1G, imagine if they join the ACC.

If the PAC and ACC joined, it would see us make at most 2 trips east in 1 season, maybe a 3rd for a Championship Game type event.

Neither league is full, but neither are they empty. It would be something akin to a scheduling pact like they talked about in order to bolster the leagues OOC schedules with consistency but I doubt it would feature more than 3 games a year in it. \

I think its a better idea of exploring than trying to create and join a Big 20. ACC+PAC basketball would also be a great show and the ACC also has had some strong WBB teams in the past.

Losing Colorado just doesn't feel like a real loss, especially when the excitement for CU is 100% because of Deion. It actually feels kind of like a pathetic move for the Big 12 (16) to make.

If they could come to terms on a new media contract it would be a good idea for the 2 conferences to come together, but just Oregon joining is an absolutely terrible idea.

[squintsdd]

I still think it makes the most sense to make a west coast Pac work but Rob will steer the ship to the best harbor.

Agree. My first reaction to the news of Colorado bolting was "whoa," but when thinking through available options the best alternative still seems to be staying the course (for now) and keeping the Pac alive.

The Big-12 is the ultimate lateral move and adding the Pac's worst team doesn't really help with that. The Pac still has better brands and more competitive teams with expansion options and covetted nighttime programming. Obviously, losing a school is bad for stability, but I'm curious to see actual Day 2 reporting on this and to find out whether the commissioner has any moves up his sleeve. Also curious to see what kind of statements come out from other Pac athletic departments/presidents' offices.

This could be the start of dominos falling, but if there really is a framework for a Pac media deal that's close to approval then the response to Colorado's departure should be a resounding "oh." Denver is a good-sized media market (maybe third or fourth of the remaining Pac teams) but that could easily be replaced while having one fewer mouth to feed in the meantime.

If anything, Colorado's departure should put pressure on all parties involved (Pac, Apple, ESPN, etc) to work with greater urgency to wrap things up. That has to be especially true for streaming partners which have been aggressively seeking partners in the sports landscape. You'd think a potential streaming partner would have just as much on the line re: the conference's survival.

But if the media deal really is just a big bag of hope then I also trust Mullens will guide us to the best possible outcome.

It's not just CU leaving, there are 3 schools leaving the Pac12, CU will just be the latest.

I would guess there is little framework on a media deal, otherwise Colorado would've had its questions answered when they asked about it. When a conference is falling apart, and a program says "look, it's been long enough. Tell us where we're at, or we're leaving" and there's no answer, it's a good sign that they're nothing close to resembling what the schools are looking for. My personal assumption, there are no significant offers. Kliavkoff is waiting and hoping the Pac12 performs well during the season to see if stronger options come up. This process was and always has been planned to go into the football season.

Lastly, leaving in a lateral move is much more desirable than being left in the cold

[wepto]

I still think it makes the most sense to make a west coast Pac work but Rob will steer the ship to the best harbor.

Agree. My first reaction to the news of Colorado bolting was "whoa," but when thinking through available options the best alternative still seems to be staying the course (for now) and keeping the Pac alive.

The Big-12 is the ultimate lateral move and adding the Pac's worst team doesn't really help with that. The Pac still has better brands and more competitive teams with expansion options and covetted nighttime programming. Obviously, losing a school is bad for stability, but I'm curious to see actual Day 2 reporting on this and to find out whether the commissioner has any moves up his sleeve. Also curious to see what kind of statements come out from other Pac athletic departments/presidents' offices.

This could be the start of dominos falling, but if there really is a framework for a Pac media deal that's close to approval then the response to Colorado's departure should be a resounding "oh." Denver is a good-sized media market (maybe third or fourth of the remaining Pac teams) but that could easily be replaced while having one fewer mouth to feed in the meantime.

If anything, Colorado's departure should put pressure on all parties involved (Pac, Apple, ESPN, etc) to work with greater urgency to wrap things up. That has to be especially true for streaming partners which have been aggressively seeking partners in the sports landscape. You'd think a potential streaming partner would have just as much on the line re: the conference's survival.

But if the media deal really is just a big bag of hope then I also trust Mullens will guide us to the best possible outcome.

It's not just CU leaving, there are 3 schools leaving the Pac12, CU will just be the latest.

I would guess there is little framework on a media deal, otherwise Colorado would've had its questions answered when they asked about it. When a conference is falling apart, and a program says "look, it's been long enough. Tell us where we're at, or we're leaving" and there's no answer, it's a good sign that they're nothing close to resembling what the schools are looking for. My personal assumption, there are no significant offers. Kliavkoff is waiting and hoping the Pac12 performs well during the season to see if stronger options come up. This process was and always has been planned to go into the football season.

Lastly, leaving in a lateral move is much more desirable than being left in the cold

Hang on, I've got to disagree with the part about a lateral move being desirable. The most important thing is not getting locked into a longterm GOR like the ACC schools are dealing with. If a lateral move maintains flexibility, fine. If it doesn't, there is no way I'd want to be stuck in an ironclad contract with the B12 for 13 years.