Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment

[squintsdd]

Never thought I would see this conference on life support. Absolutely piss-poor management of a storied conference. Once so forward looking, now so in the rear view mirror. Complete disappointment. Who is to blame? Conference AD’s? Presidents? This can’t totally fall on Kliavakoff (sp) alone.

This doesn't fall solely on him, but he's taking the heat now because he's been promising for months that everyone will see a deal "in the next couple of weeks". It's like telling a kid every 10 minutes that we'll be there soon on a 5 hour car trip.

[pezsez1]

100%!

For someone who peacocked about facts, you have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, but you would if you had a basic grasp of the Pac-12 footprint and media market sizes. Not sure how Buck's rant was relevant, either. Rallying behind him didn't help your understanding of the issue.

I'll let you figure it out.

[GDuck]

100%!

For someone who peacocked about facts, you have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, but you would if you had a basic grasp of the Pac-12 footprint and media market sizes. Not sure how Buck's rant was relevant, either. Rallying behind him didn't help your understanding of the issue.

I'll let you figure it out.

Glad you understand you know what I understand. I can’t agree with someone else’s posts? Or maybe only when they align with your opinion then agreement is acceptable.

Media market size doesn’t mean much with the 3rd choice in southern Cal compared to 1st choice in Colorado. But again, we can agree to disagree. You think SDSU is an upgrade overall when compared to Colorado. I don’t. I also don’t think much of Colorado but don’t see how SDSU is an upgrade.

[greenyellow]

You guys mind taking the temperature down a notch by cutting out the personal attacks and insults? I know people are frustrated with how things are going but we can have a little more civility here.

[pezsez1]

I also don’t think much of Colorado but don’t see how SDSU is an upgrade.

The numbers show it's pretty much a sidestep in terms of attractiveness for a TV deal. With Colorado, the Pac has roughly 12.4 million households. Switch it out with SDSU, and you still have 11.8 million. That's a pretty good backfill that would keep any deal mostly intact.

I think it's an upgrade because for a very similar footprint you're maintaining a SoCal footprint (which seems important for a west coast-based conference) while massively upgrading that spot's football and basketball programs. Far better product on the field which would translate to better branding & fan experiences and probably postseason dollars for the conference.

I honestly don't know why anyone would prefer Colorado over SDSU. It's too bad we can't have both, but it is what it is. And it's a moot point anyway if there's no more Pac-12.

[SuperDuck]

Never thought I would see this conference on life support. Absolutely piss-poor management of a storied conference. Once so forward looking, now so in the rear view mirror. Complete disappointment. Who is to blame? Conference AD’s? Presidents? This can’t totally fall on Kliavakoff (sp) alone.

Kliavkoff is probably one of the least responsible. He just came on the scene. Presidents, ADs, and Larry Scott would be your biggest culprits.

Actually, I read the other day that he refused an offer that was comparable to Big-12 money BEFORE USC and UCLA decided to leave. He held out for more money, which isn't a bad thing. It's just that the timing was bad, but there's no way he could have known.

[buckmarkduck]

I also don’t think much of Colorado but don’t see how SDSU is an upgrade.

The numbers show it's pretty much a sidestep in terms of attractiveness for a TV deal. With Colorado, the Pac has roughly 12.4 million households. Switch it out with SDSU, and you still have 11.8 million. That's a pretty good backfill that would keep any deal mostly intact.

I think it's an upgrade because for a very similar footprint you're maintaining a SoCal footprint (which seems important for a west coast-based conference) while massively upgrading that spot's football and basketball programs. Far better product on the field which would translate to better branding & fan experiences and probably postseason dollars for the conference.

I honestly don't know why anyone would prefer Colorado over SDSU. It's too bad we can't have both, but it is what it is. And it's a moot point anyway if there's no more Pac-12.

Are you from California? A SDSU fan alum? What have you seen from fans in California that makes you think they will back a team not named USC? Cal is in a metro of 6mill, and they barely get 25k a game, even when they are decent. Stanford was good for a decade, and still never sold OU the stadium unless a team like UO showed up bringing 30k ourself. UCLA has to tarp off half the stadium. You can’t include anything into SDSU other than San Diego. LA won’t support them. But non of this argument matters, SDSU will get an offer and jump on it from the big 12. And OS will be bolting soon also. Apparently the big 12 is trying to be the old Big East, with 22 nothing burgers and maybe one or two good teams.


https://twitter.com/DUiagalelei/status/ ... 57600?s=20

[pezsez1]

Are you from California? A SDSU fan alum? What have you seen from fans in California that makes you think they will back a team not named USC?

Haven't you learned anything from this whole process? Interest in a team matters much less to the cable/sports media companies than # of households in the footprint. That's why the B1G isn't falling over itself to invite Oregon despite us drawing the Pac's best ratings in recent years.

Also, what is an "SDSU fan alum"? Like someone who graduated from SDSU fan school?

[Duck07]

I think the easiest answer for why Colorado left is probably in this nugget from their AD

“Fox and ESPN is who we want to be aligned with,” George said Thursday at a news conference in Boulder.

This would indicate that the writing on the wall for the TV deal is something like Apple+ and CBS. While the Buffs are worried about "national exposure" (for a coach who is not likely to be there long-term...) I think the issue with that is that they still have a bad program and ESPN and Fox are only going to hype up their lesser conference only so much, especially if the Big 13 isn't rolling teams.

[ducks5ever]

Are you from California? A SDSU fan alum? What have you seen from fans in California that makes you think they will back a team not named USC? Cal is in a metro of 6mill, and they barely get 25k a game, even when they are decent. Stanford was good for a decade, and still never sold OU the stadium unless a team like UO showed up bringing 30k ourself. UCLA has to tarp off half the stadium. You can’t include anything into SDSU other than San Diego. LA won’t support them. But non of this argument matters, SDSU will get an offer and jump on it from the big 12. And OS will be bolting soon also. Apparently the big 12 is trying to be the old Big East, with 22 nothing burgers and maybe one or two good teams.


https://twitter.com/DUiagalelei/status/ ... 57600?s=20

It's not worth it to reason with this guy. There's pretty much 0 chance SDSU will join right now anyways.

Also, can't wait for him to find out about the ESPN/SEC 3 billion contract. According to his logic, they paid all that just for the Atlanta, Orlando, and a fraction of the Houston/Dallas media market along with a bunch of smaller markets (all of which are smaller than the West coast markets).

[Phalanx]

I see people running Colorado down in this thread, and I feel like it should be mentioned that they are a pretty hot football team right now in terms of momentum and grabbing national attention. It might turn out that Coach Prime is all smoke and mirrors, but he has totally overhauled that roster and brought in some good players. They are not likely to be the cellar-dwellers they have been, and I think the Big 12 recognized that. Losing a team with all of that renewed energy is a significant hit for the Pac's hopes of marketing post-USC.

I feel about the Pac 10 the same way Bill Walton does, but also it is not lost on me how snobby they have been about adding new members over the years, and now all of a sudden their standards are lowering dramatically. The Big 12 lost Texas and Oklahoma, but still they have enough identity to poach teams from the Pac. How have the mighty fallen.

[buckmarkduck]

Are you from California? A SDSU fan alum? What have you seen from fans in California that makes you think they will back a team not named USC?

Haven't you learned anything from this whole process? Interest in a team matters much less to the cable/sports media companies than # of households in the footprint. That's why the B1G isn't falling over itself to invite Oregon despite us drawing the Pac's best ratings in recent years.

Also, what is an "SDSU fan alum"? Like someone who graduated from SDSU fan school?

Got it. In your warped world we should add SDSU, LBSU, SFSU, Chicago U, NYU and a school from Houston.

Just out of curiosity can you show us a team that moved up in the last 30 years, and added significant value to a power 5 league?

[UOducksTK1]

https://twitter.com/KeatonItReal_/statu ... 06017?s=20

Sounds like the op thinks it could be OSU. The big 12 fans all hope not.

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How ironic would that be if OSU is the team to ditch out of the Pac-12 before us?

[DuckzRule]

https://twitter.com/KeatonItReal_/statu ... 06017?s=20

Sounds like the op thinks it could be OSU. The big 12 fans all hope not.

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How ironic would that be if OSU is the team to ditch out of the Pac-12 before us?

Is that OSU's QB actual account or a parody one?

EDIT: Nevermind, it's DJ and Matayo's father

[woundedknees]

Big Dave occasionally comes up with decent info.