Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment

[Duck07]

I think they are overrated and will probably show in new conference. They didn’t play a strong schedule.

A top 40 Media Market with a winning Coach from the area, in a fertile recruiting ground who now gets to play in a watered-down conference.

Diminish UC all you want, but that was a far more impressive addition than Colorado and the team has shown sustained success.

[Duck07]

Interesting looking at what Vegas thinks when comparing Colorado and SDSU to win next season national championship (I acknowledge football is harder to win when not in Top 5 conferences).

Approximate average of 5-6 betting services:
Football - Col 275-1, SDSU 750-1
Basketball - Col 80-1, SDSU 90-1

You do understand how betting lines work right and that this is not indicative of what experts think will happen during the season but rather the sheer amount of morons betting on Deion Sanders?

We're going to rush for 200+ and 42+ points in the 1st half against that defense.

[buckmarkduck]

You guys know you are arguing for a school that has Brady Hoke as the HC?

And for the record I’m not arguing who is better on the field. It’s who actually adds eyeballs and value. CU barely did, but no MWC team will
Add value. A real argument can be made Utah hasn’t added to the pac 10 value either.

[GDuck]

Interesting looking at what Vegas thinks when comparing Colorado and SDSU to win next season national championship (I acknowledge football is harder to win when not in Top 5 conferences).

Approximate average of 5-6 betting services:
Football - Col 275-1, SDSU 750-1
Basketball - Col 80-1, SDSU 90-1

You do understand how betting lines work right and that this is not indicative of what experts think will happen during the season but rather the sheer amount of morons betting on Deion Sanders?

We're going to rush for 200+ and 42+ points in the 1st half against that defense.

I’m aware - my point still stands.

[pezsez1]

And for the record I’m not arguing who is better on the field. It’s who actually adds eyeballs and value.

Same, and SDSU adds enough to make up for Colorado's loss. That's all I've been trying to say this whole time. The fact SDSU is better on the field and in a better location is simply a nice bonus.

As I've also been saying, though, this whole argument is only theoretically relevant because 1) we can't add SDSU before we have a media deal and 2) not sure if they'd join the Pac-12 anyway considering that we already kinda burned them.

[Duck07]

You guys know you are arguing for a school that has Brady Hoke as the HC?

And for the record I’m not arguing who is better on the field. It’s who actually adds eyeballs and value. CU barely did, but no MWC team will
Add value. A real argument can be made Utah hasn’t added to the pac 10 value either.

What argument is that? SLC keeps growing and they keep getting better at Football, and didn't their WBB just win it all?

The single biggest thing we need are teams that can win games, that's what draws eyeballs, not just media markets.

George has stated that we'll do the deal and then expand. Any expansion will thus likely already have a given rate depending on the context of G5 vs P5 teams we'd add and that we'd likely need to add at least 3 schools for Football.

What better options are there right now if we don't make an overture to SDSU? They can join in 2025 and the PAC can survive a year at 9 without them.

Gonzaga would be great for basketball, but could they get a separate BBall deal and stay in a weak conference?
Boise State is nowhere near the Academics but does provide a decent floor for Football that Colorado couldn't manage.
UNLV has Vegas going for it.

Oregon, Utah, Washington and Oregon State look to have the best 5-year futures for football and we keep the PAC's Auto-Bid for the Playoff. Our New Pac 12 for Football is certainly not worse than the Big 12 at that point.

Is replacing one of those schools with SMU a better option? Or is joining the Big 12 for a 5M raise from what we get right now the best option in your mind?

[buckmarkduck]

You guys know you are arguing for a school that has Brady Hoke as the HC?

And for the record I’m not arguing who is better on the field. It’s who actually adds eyeballs and value. CU barely did, but no MWC team will
Add value. A real argument can be made Utah hasn’t added to the pac 10 value either.

What argument is that? SLC keeps growing and they keep getting better at Football, and didn't their WBB just win it all?

The single biggest thing we need are teams that can win games, that's what draws eyeballs, not just media markets.

George has stated that we'll do the deal and then expand. Any expansion will thus likely already have a given rate depending on the context of G5 vs P5 teams we'd add and that we'd likely need to add at least 3 schools for Football.

What better options are there right now if we don't make an overture to SDSU? They can join in 2025 and the PAC can survive a year at 9 without them.

Gonzaga would be great for basketball, but could they get a separate BBall deal and stay in a weak conference?
Boise State is nowhere near the Academics but does provide a decent floor for Football that Colorado couldn't manage.
UNLV has Vegas going for it.

Oregon, Utah, Washington and Oregon State look to have the best 5-year futures for football and we keep the PAC's Auto-Bid for the Playoff. Our New Pac 12 for Football is certainly not worse than the Big 12 at that point.

Is replacing one of those schools with SMU a better option? Or is joining the Big 12 for a 5M raise from what we get right now the best option in your mind?

Since adding Utah and CU the pac 12 attendance is down 14.2%. Is that not a loss? When a conference adds teams, they hope it brings morney, attendance and viewers . Adding those two did none of that. And Utah is below CU and WSU in TV ratings 1.49 CU, WSU 1.59 vs 1.44 UU

[pezsez1]

Since adding Utah and CU the pac 12 attendance is down 14.2%

This has literally nothing to do with Utah and Colorado and you know it. This has everything to do with TBA gametimes that end up being at 7 p.m. PST. Attendence certainly isn't a problem with Utah.

In fact, maybe our attendence rate magically skyrockets once UCLA is gone.

[buckmarkduck]

JC propaganda gravy train is coming to an end?

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[Duck07]

Well if we get whittled down to 8, it might actually create a scenario where we could actually form an East Coast division that didn't destroy the all-sports travel schedules due to the regional natures of the divisions.

What we would need to do to create that type of splash though would be to steal Notre Dame away from NBC to be the jewel of the East division. It would require paying Notre Dame more but with the rumors of Florida State wanting out you could create a pretty good looking 16-team conference especially if you poached 1-2 more ACC schools.

Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, Cal, Stanford, Utah, Arizona State.

Notre Dame, Florida State, (ACC School), Memphis, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Rice.

A Network would have the full morning-day-night schedule under wraps with some big programs leading each division, who would also feel like they've got just the "right" amount of competition to not be overwhelmed.

All a pipe-dream though with our collective leadership and foresight.

[buckmarkduck]

Well if we get whittled down to 8, it might actually create a scenario where we could actually form an East Coast division that didn't destroy the all-sports travel schedules due to the regional natures of the divisions.

What we would need to do to create that type of splash though would be to steal Notre Dame away from NBC to be the jewel of the East division. It would require paying Notre Dame more but with the rumors of Florida State wanting out you could create a pretty good looking 16-team conference especially if you poached 1-2 more ACC schools.

Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, Cal, Stanford, Utah, Arizona State.

Notre Dame, Florida State, (ACC School), Memphis, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Rice.

A Network would have the full morning-day-night schedule under wraps with some big programs leading each division, who would also feel like they've got just the "right" amount of competition to not be overwhelmed.

All a pipe-dream though with our collective leadership and foresight.

I listened to a few ND beat writers this week, and they say ND has zero interest in joining a conference. And they are happy to take less from NBC and remain independent in football, than join anyone. Basically said the BIG won’t be able to get them, and I’d imagine the ACC won’t have any shot at all.

[squintsdd]

Well if we get whittled down to 8, it might actually create a scenario where we could actually form an East Coast division that didn't destroy the all-sports travel schedules due to the regional natures of the divisions.

What we would need to do to create that type of splash though would be to steal Notre Dame away from NBC to be the jewel of the East division. It would require paying Notre Dame more but with the rumors of Florida State wanting out you could create a pretty good looking 16-team conference especially if you poached 1-2 more ACC schools.

Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, Cal, Stanford, Utah, Arizona State.

Notre Dame, Florida State, (ACC School), Memphis, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Rice.

A Network would have the full morning-day-night schedule under wraps with some big programs leading each division, who would also feel like they've got just the "right" amount of competition to not be overwhelmed.

All a pipe-dream though with our collective leadership and foresight.

I listened to a few ND beat writers this week, and they say ND has zero interest in joining a conference. And they are happy to take less from NBC and remain independent in football, than join anyone. Basically said the BIG won’t be able to get them, and I’d imagine the ACC won’t have any shot at all.

Pretty much this. Notre Dame does well enough on their own without needing to involve themselves with conference realignment. The incentive to join is minimal for them

[Alan]

I probably know the answer to this question already but……. I was listening to sports radio a few days ago and they were talking about Colorado jumping to the Big12. A lawyer, he proclaimed to be a lawyer, called in and said he felt there was grounds for the PAC 12 to file an antitrust lawsuit with these teams leaving. The caller did acknowledge he was not an antitrust attorney. Does anyone here with more education than myself feel this may be an option? The first thing that came to my mind was teams have been jumping between conferences for many years, why a antitrust now?

[SuperDuck]

If Arizona does leave, would the addition of SMU and San Diego State be enough for the conference to survive?

That would capture a part of the Dallas/Fort Worth and San Diego markets, 2 of the top 10 highest populations in the country. Still, it still doesn't feel like it's enough.

Could the Pac-12 sign a short term agreement like 3 years or so, and then focus on adding 2-4 more teams?

Also, even though they don't have a football team, Gonzaga feels like a natural fit for the conference in basketball.

[duckfan22]

Arizona leaving would hurt in basketball
the most. Oregons strength of schedule
Would take a hit.

I don't see the big 10 waiting to
invite Oregon and Washington at
this point.