Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment

[Duck07]

I love the idea of mostly streaming. Accessible anywhere. Cheap. No need for so many night games. Can improve the stadium product. It is the future. Production and content quality would be top notch. Much better than being cable's nighttime fallback.

Don't know a single person irl excited about streaming. Will be a disaster with every duck fan I know

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I'm fine with Apple, not sure why some of you are so down on it when it offers us the one opportunity to capture new audiences to become Duck fans. How many iphone users are there worldwide?

Apple has also been getting their views far better than Amazon has so far and ESPN still has a west coast void for the linear option.

[Duck07]

I love the idea of mostly streaming. Accessible anywhere. Cheap. No need for so many night games. Can improve the stadium product. It is the future.

Not surprising we disagree. Steaming is losing money all over the place - Netflix is really the only one consistently making money. Those that don’t will not survive. Not cheap if you need to buy it along with your cable/dish/other streaming services. Not sure about night games - Pac-12 has a monopoly at 7pm and would be foolish to give that up.

Can’t flip between games easily. For Amazon NFL there were buffering/quality issues and the video was delayed quite a bit from the real time events. Number of eyes on the games will be a lot less and the conference/teams won’t be talked about as much. Pre and post game shows attention will be much reduced. I’m okay with a combo of steaming and linear.

When they final figure out how to make money streaming, the conference won’t be around.

If streaming is losing money someone should tell NBC to stop going so hard at it.

[UOducksTK1]

Arizona regents meeting today.

[GDuck]

I love the idea of mostly streaming. Accessible anywhere. Cheap. No need for so many night games. Can improve the stadium product. It is the future. Production and content quality would be top notch. Much better than being cable's nighttime fallback.

Don't know a single person irl excited about streaming. Will be a disaster with every duck fan I know

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How many iphone users are there worldwide?

Just because someone has an iPhone, doesn’t mean they have AppleTV. They are separate things and you have to pay more to get AppleTV. The cost for AppleTV will go up if they pay for Pac-12 games. How many that pay for AppleTV for movies and shows will be okay paying more for Pac-12 games?

[greenyellow]

Without a linear partner, I don't think the conference lasts much longer. Momentum seems to be swinging towards Arizona leaving.

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[GDuck]

I love the idea of mostly streaming. Accessible anywhere. Cheap. No need for so many night games. Can improve the stadium product. It is the future.

Not surprising we disagree. Steaming is losing money all over the place - Netflix is really the only one consistently making money. Those that don’t will not survive. Not cheap if you need to buy it along with your cable/dish/other streaming services. Not sure about night games - Pac-12 has a monopoly at 7pm and would be foolish to give that up.

Can’t flip between games easily. For Amazon NFL there were buffering/quality issues and the video was delayed quite a bit from the real time events. Number of eyes on the games will be a lot less and the conference/teams won’t be talked about as much. Pre and post game shows attention will be much reduced. I’m okay with a combo of steaming and linear.

When they final figure out how to make money streaming, the conference won’t be around.

If streaming is losing money someone should tell NBC to stop going so hard at it.

Good question - Peacock lost $1 bil last quarter - https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/27/2357 ... riber-loss

[pezsez1]

Streaming is losing money, but it's also rapidly growing. It's a good investment.

It's also becoming what is referred to as a "loss leader," which means it translates to a profit even if it's not profitable by itself. A great example of this is paint. Most hardware/paint stores sell paint at a loss, but the store makes money because people also buy brushes, tarps, etc which are sold at large markups. Same with Apple TV, which Apple is bundling with its numerous other products to boost sales.

Cable is losing subscribers because people are sick of paying like $80/month (or more) for a bunch of crap they don't need that's filled with commercials. Streaming services are a fraction of the cost (unless you sub to a bunch) and the content they produce is light years better. Not even comparable.

Production quality of sports content is fantastic, too. Very few tech issues in return for beautiful broadcast quality and probably content you don't get on Fox or ESPN. No more being relegated to night games, no more missing the first quarter because the previous game ran late, no more wondering if your TV is broken because ESPN sent its backup truck. No more missing the game because your power goes out. And you can watch it on your phone no matter where you are. It's no wonder why streaming is steadily replacing cable.

Also it's a smart move for streamers to start acquiring sports content. Sports and live news are all that's keeping cable alive. And if you can watch your sports for $14/month then I'm not sure who'd want to pay $80/month just to watch Fox News or CNN.

[buckmarkduck]

I love the idea of mostly streaming. Accessible anywhere. Cheap. No need for so many night games. Can improve the stadium product. It is the future. Production and content quality would be top notch. Much better than being cable's nighttime fallback.

Don't know a single person irl excited about streaming. Will be a disaster with every duck fan I know

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I'm fine with Apple, not sure why some of you are so down on it when it offers us the one opportunity to capture new audiences to become Duck fans. How many iphone users are there worldwide?

Apple has also been getting their views far better than Amazon has so far and ESPN still has a west coast void for the linear option.

If I’m watching any games not UO, then steaming sucks. I like to have multiple games up. Apple won’t provide that. I also doubt very many people outside the west coast will tune into Apple to watch our games. Especially when it cost $99 a year and no other conference available to them. And I really doubt Game Day is interested in coming out west, knowing they have zero financial incentive too come all the way out here.

Let’s put it this way, how many of you would pay $99 a year or 14.99 a month to watch the big 12 right now? Not me. And neither will anyone from the Soith or east coast.

[buckmarkduck]

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[pezsez1]

I like to have multiple games up. Apple won’t provide that. I also doubt very many people outside the west coast will tune into Apple to watch our games. And I really doubt Game Day is interested in coming out west, knowing they have zero financial incentive too come all the way out here.

Regarding ESPN, I'm guessing the agreement would allow ESPN to buy broadcast rights for games from Apple TV. I couldn't see the Pac signing onto an agreement that didn't allow for TV to get involved. And we do have the capacity for night games which ESPN really needs.

As for people tuning in beyond our footprint, I really don't think that was a massive factor with previous TV arrangements, especially considering how many of our games were played as the east coast was going to bed. Also I think you're underestimating the number of people who've found ways to watch us without having cable subscriptions -- I'm sure they'll continue to do the same.

Cable TV really is a dying business model and we shouldn't fear being largely detached from it. Oregon is strong where it matters most: coaching, facilities, and NIL power.

Also, regarding that tweet above, $20 mil per school doesn't appear to be an accurate number based on the rumors we've seen, especially if AZ or even ASU leaves. Oregon's share could easily be around $30 mil per year. And if Oregon and UW are happy then we've got ourselves a conference that we can fill out and grow -- with more top-end talent than an expanded Big-12 has.

[GDuck]

Streaming is losing money, but it's also rapidly growing. It's a good investment.

It's also becoming what is referred to as a "loss leader," which means it translates to a profit even if it's not profitable by itself. A great example of this is paint. Most hardware/paint stores sell paint at a loss, but the store makes money because people also buy brushes, tarps, etc which are sold at large markups. Same with Apple TV, which Apple is bundling with its numerous other products to boost sales.

Cable is losing subscribers because people are sick of paying like $80/month (or more) for a bunch of crap they don't need that's filled with commercials. Streaming services are a fraction of the cost (unless you sub to a bunch) and the content they produce is light years better. Not even comparable.

Production quality of sports content is fantastic, too. Very few tech issues in return for beautiful broadcast quality and probably content you don't get on Fox or ESPN. No more being relegated to night games, no more missing the first quarter because the previous game ran late, no more wondering if your TV is broken because ESPN sent its backup truck. No more missing the game because your power goes out. And you can watch it on your phone no matter where you are. It's no wonder why streaming is steadily replacing cable.

Also it's a smart move for streamers to start acquiring sports content. Sports and live news are all that's keeping cable alive. And if you can watch your sports for $14/month then I'm not sure who'd want to pay $80/month just to watch Fox News or CNN.

Glad you aren’t my financial advisor. It’s losing lots of money but it is the future? We are all lemmings. One day I’m sure they’ll figure out how to make money.

AppleTV may be included for free for a few months when you buy an iPhone, but how many continue paying after the promotional period? Apple will make money because people will buy more Apple products because of AppleTV? Not so sure about that.

The streaming quality is not nearly as good as you state. Amazon had tons of issues with NFL - though they did improve as the season went. And I have very good streaming rates. You don’t think there will be no more back-up trucks and technical issues? I still have cable (and I pay for couple streaming services, including AppleTV). However I can watch my channels anywhere I am with cable too because they have an app too that I can use to watch wherever I am. As mentioned previously, there will still be night games.

[buckmarkduck]

I like to have multiple games up. Apple won’t provide that. I also doubt very many people outside the west coast will tune into Apple to watch our games. And I really doubt Game Day is interested in coming out west, knowing they have zero financial incentive too come all the way out here.

Regarding ESPN, I'm guessing the agreement would allow ESPN to buy broadcast rights for games from Apple TV. I couldn't see the Pac signing onto an agreement that didn't allow for TV to get involved. And we do have the capacity for night games which ESPN really needs.

As for people tuning in beyond our footprint, I really don't think that was a massive factor with previous TV arrangements, especially considering how many of our games were played as the east coast was going to bed. Also I think you're underestimating the number of people who've found ways to watch us without having cable subscriptions -- I'm sure they'll continue to do the same.

Cable TV really is a dying business model and we shouldn't fear being largely detached from it. Oregon is strong where it matters most: coaching, facilities, and NIL power.

According to reports our deal with the P12N oils have paid more if we hit a number o views, but we hit well below the lowest numbers.

[lmduck]

I like to have multiple games up. Apple won’t provide that. I also doubt very many people outside the west coast will tune into Apple to watch our games. And I really doubt Game Day is interested in coming out west, knowing they have zero financial incentive too come all the way out here.

Regarding ESPN, I'm guessing the agreement would allow ESPN to buy broadcast rights for games from Apple TV. I couldn't see the Pac signing onto an agreement that didn't allow for TV to get involved. And we do have the capacity for night games which ESPN really needs.

As for people tuning in beyond our footprint, I really don't think that was a massive factor with previous TV arrangements, especially considering how many of our games were played as the east coast was going to bed. Also I think you're underestimating the number of people who've found ways to watch us without having cable subscriptions -- I'm sure they'll continue to do the same.

Cable TV really is a dying business model and we shouldn't fear being largely detached from it. Oregon is strong where it matters most: coaching, facilities, and NIL power.

According to reports our deal with the P12N oils have paid more if we hit a number o views, but we hit well below the lowest numbers.

What are P12n oils?


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[pezsez1]

It’s losing lots of money but it is the future?

Did you know that many businesses lose money before finally turning a profit? Restaurants. Stores. Facebook. That's just how business often works.

Perhaps you need a new financial advisor.

[GDuck]

It’s losing lots of money but it is the future?

Did you know that many businesses lose money before finally turning a profit?

Perhaps you need a new financial advisor.

Many more fail.