How do you think we end up in recruiting?

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Don't forget we have Sumler coming in after red shirting. He was considered the
fastest high school player in the country his senior year. Amazing speed on the
outside. Give him a year learning to block there is our deep threat. A couple of other
really good receivers red shirted also in Kelly and Blackmon.
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This will be a good class, but not a great one. Lets see how the next 6 weeks go. Oregon has been pretty strong finishers in terms of recruiting for the past 5 years. I think we end up in the top 15, which would be a bit dissapointing given our success but not bad at all. If Oregon can get a top 5-15 class, something they have been doing, we will have the talent needed to compete for championships with our coaches. So in that regard i'm not worried....A ROSE BOWL win might help us snag a few more 4*'s...
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We're what, in the low 20s rankings wise right now? I'd say we finish around 15 or so but as others have said, because we are such a young team, not as many big gets to be had. Ultimately, I'm more concerned about on-field results and this class looks to continue that success. Amazing that each incoming class is now able to work towards being the "most successful" class ever at Oregon.

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In some ways, if we would be fine with a bad recruiting class, this is the year. So much young talent on this team. However, I am very disappointed in the lack of elite DT's, that seemed to be the main emphasis in recruiting this year and Oregon still wasn't able to land them. I think we're fine at WR with the redshirting guys and Stanford. Would've been nice to have gotten a couple really good O-line recruits, but not the end of the world.
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OregonFan4Life wrote:In some ways, if we would be fine with a bad recruiting class, this is the year. So much young talent on this team. However, I am very disappointed in the lack of elite DT's, that seemed to be the main emphasis in recruiting this year and Oregon still wasn't able to land them. I think we're fine at WR with the redshirting guys and Stanford. Would've been nice to have gotten a couple really good O-line recruits, but not the end of the world.
We run a terrible scheme for those guys and I don't get it. So much of what we try to do on D is similar concept wise to the Steelers, Ravens and even Alabama - all teams are zone blitz heavy. All of those teams have giant DTs that they rotate out on passing downs. Yes, they've got those speed guys too, but they all recognize the need for those type of guys. Why we don't do that, don't ask me. Yes, go mention Wade and Fili all you want, neither is what Azz/NA recruit.
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Duck07 wrote: We run a terrible scheme for those guys and I don't get it. So much of what we try to do on D is similar concept wise to the Steelers, Ravens and even Alabama - all teams are zone blitz heavy. All of those teams have giant DTs that they rotate out on passing downs. Yes, they've got those speed guys too, but they all recognize the need for those type of guys. Why we don't do that, don't ask me. Yes, go mention Wade and Fili all you want, neither is what Azz/NA recruit.
Comparing what Alabama and Oregon do in-terms of defensive scheme isn't very accurate in my opinion. Alabama runs more of a read and react two-gap scheme, rather than what we run which involves a lot of stunts and zone blitzing. It's a hybrid 3-4, and by the way our coaching staff is not looking for the massive NT that you are, use what Wade Phillips has done over his career as an example of what we look for, i.e. Jay Ratliff..
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Duck07 wrote: We run a terrible scheme for those guys and I don't get it. So much of what we try to do on D is similar concept wise to the Steelers, Ravens and even Alabama - all teams are zone blitz heavy. All of those teams have giant DTs that they rotate out on passing downs. Yes, they've got those speed guys too, but they all recognize the need for those type of guys. Why we don't do that, don't ask me. Yes, go mention Wade and Fili all you want, neither is what Azz/NA recruit.
Comparing what Alabama and Oregon do in-terms of defensive scheme isn't very accurate in my opinion. Alabama runs more of a read and react two-gap scheme, rather than what we run which involves a lot of stunts and zone blitzing. It's a hybrid 3-4, and by the way our coaching staff is not looking for the massive NT that you are, use what Wade Phillips has done over his career as an example of what we look for, i.e. Jay Ratliff..
My point wasn't so much about precise comparisons as it was to the zone blitz scheme in general where the overwhelming majority of teams all use a true NT.
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TheMaehlMan wrote:
Duck07 wrote: We run a terrible scheme for those guys and I don't get it. So much of what we try to do on D is similar concept wise to the Steelers, Ravens and even Alabama - all teams are zone blitz heavy. All of those teams have giant DTs that they rotate out on passing downs. Yes, they've got those speed guys too, but they all recognize the need for those type of guys. Why we don't do that, don't ask me. Yes, go mention Wade and Fili all you want, neither is what Azz/NA recruit.
Comparing what Alabama and Oregon do in-terms of defensive scheme isn't very accurate in my opinion. Alabama runs more of a read and react two-gap scheme, rather than what we run which involves a lot of stunts and zone blitzing. It's a hybrid 3-4, and by the way our coaching staff is not looking for the massive NT that you are, use what Wade Phillips has done over his career as an example of what we look for, i.e. Jay Ratliff..
I'm not so sure about that... it seems like every year we offer those guys, but we just can't land them. As far as our scheme goes... I think our coaches just try to do the best with what we have.

btw... there are very few of those guys out there to land in the first place.
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neezy3 wrote:I would guess we finish 4th in the Pac12 behind Usc, Cal and Stanford. Its looking like we're going to miss out on all the top offensive and defensive linemen which sucks though. I think we finish with around ten 4 stars and it should be a top 20-25 class as long as sanctions don't crush us before signing day. It's a solid class with some good players but nobody really stands out thus far as an absolute stud that will demand playing time from day one. A few years ago this class is amazing but after last year it will be hard to beat, and the competition is getting better and spending more money.

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neezy3 wrote:I would guess we finish 4th in the Pac12 behind Usc, Cal and Stanford. Its looking like we're going to miss out on all the top offensive and defensive linemen which sucks though. I think we finish with around ten 4 stars and it should be a top 20-25 class as long as sanctions don't crush us before signing day. It's a solid class with some good players but nobody really stands out thus far as an absolute stud that will demand playing time from day one. A few years ago this class is amazing but after last year it will be hard to beat, and the competition is getting better and spending more money.
We didn't miss out on all the top OL and OL recruits according to Faith E. we turned him down cause we got someone else..... whoever that is...... And Faith is pretty good...
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Diehardduckfan wrote:
neezy3 wrote:I would guess we finish 4th in the Pac12 behind Usc, Cal and Stanford. Its looking like we're going to miss out on all the top offensive and defensive linemen which sucks though. I think we finish with around ten 4 stars and it should be a top 20-25 class as long as sanctions don't crush us before signing day. It's a solid class with some good players but nobody really stands out thus far as an absolute stud that will demand playing time from day one. A few years ago this class is amazing but after last year it will be hard to beat, and the competition is getting better and spending more money.
We didn't miss out on all the top OL and OL recruits according to Faith E. we turned him down cause we got someone else..... whoever that is...... And Faith is pretty good...
Stetzon Bair, apparently.

And as good as his bro was, I think you've gotta respect the choice.

But wow, let's take both, I say.
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Re: How do you think we end up in recruiting?

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My main concern has been the same concern I have had over the last couple years and one that has been mentioned a couple of times already on here. I quite simply do not get what the main issue is when it comes to get studs on our defensive line. If you look at not only the last several BCS champions they all have had a great and wonderful defensive line yet it seems to be the one area we are lacking and can not get 4 and 5 star recruits to fill our D line. I think if we want to reach that next level and be a truly elite team year in and year out we need to start landing those recruits.

Tom Luginbill who is a recruiting analyst for ESPN said after last year that Oregon will start reaping the benefits of being in two BCS bowl games in a row. We are now going to our third BCS bowl game and so far this class is just average in my opinion. Not near as good as last years... so far and to me that is disappointing. We need to keep getting better and better in our classes.. I am not sure how we get there but our lack of effectiveness on the D line side is still a huge concern for me and we need to find a way to get them to come to Oregon.
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GoDucksIn09 wrote:My main concern has been the same concern I have had over the last couple years and one that has been mentioned a couple of times already on here. I quite simply do not get what the main issue is when it comes to get studs on our defensive line. If you look at not only the last several BCS champions they all have had a great and wonderful defensive line yet it seems to be the one area we are lacking and can not get 4 and 5 star recruits to fill our D line. I think if we want to reach that next level and be a truly elite team year in and year out we need to start landing those recruits.

Tom Luginbill who is a recruiting analyst for ESPN said after last year that Oregon will start reaping the benefits of being in two BCS bowl games in a row. We are now going to our third BCS bowl game and so far this class is just average in my opinion. Not near as good as last years... so far and to me that is disappointing. We need to keep getting better and better in our classes.. I am not sure how we get there but our lack of effectiveness on the D line side is still a huge concern for me and we need to find a way to get them to come to Oregon.
I would like to improve our DL recruiting, but I think it will be very difficult to get a number of studs on the DL because most of them are coming from so far away. I think we really need to upgrade our OL recruiting, because this is where we primarily lost the last two BCS games, in my opinion.
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How much more do we need to improve our OL recruiting? Just last year we got tons of studs. The year before that we got Grassu. We don't know how this year will finish with the OL and I'm not totally sure how big the need is this year beyond guesses made by other fans.

I know this year's class was supposed to be super good, but let's take a step back and realize we have a lot of really strong young OL talent already on the roster.

On the DL people keep making it sound like the last time we had a good recruit was Ngata. Hogwash, Heimuli was a top 10 DT and Balducci was a highly coveted beast. Yes, it would be great to get the most hyped guy every year, but we have not exactly been striking out either.

Sorry for the non-chicken little post. Sometimes, I like to be a contrarian just for the sake of it.
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TheMaehlMan wrote:
Duck07 wrote: We run a terrible scheme for those guys and I don't get it. So much of what we try to do on D is similar concept wise to the Steelers, Ravens and even Alabama - all teams are zone blitz heavy. All of those teams have giant DTs that they rotate out on passing downs. Yes, they've got those speed guys too, but they all recognize the need for those type of guys. Why we don't do that, don't ask me. Yes, go mention Wade and Fili all you want, neither is what Azz/NA recruit.
Comparing what Alabama and Oregon do in-terms of defensive scheme isn't very accurate in my opinion. Alabama runs more of a read and react two-gap scheme, rather than what we run which involves a lot of stunts and zone blitzing. It's a hybrid 3-4, and by the way our coaching staff is not looking for the massive NT that you are, use what Wade Phillips has done over his career as an example of what we look for, i.e. Jay Ratliff..
Most say Oregon runs a 2 gap, read & react defensive scheme. We do run stunts and zone reads, but our system is more the former, not the latter.
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