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dd10snoop28 wrote: All of that leads us back to the question of "how can this be anything other than a perversion of justice?".

So this is the moment you lost faith in the legal system?

Interesting that the recent dissent from Gorsuch and Kavanaugh (Donzinger/Chevron) see nary a mention on here about the perversion of justice.

Is this a double-standard that we're wasting on our time on someone who is an awful human being by any measurement while ignoring someone who has truly spent part of their life serving others?

Duck07 wrote:

dd10snoop28 wrote: All of that leads us back to the question of "how can this be anything other than a perversion of justice?".

So this is the moment you lost faith in the legal system?

Interesting that the recent dissent from Gorsuch and Kavanaugh (Donzinger/Chevron) see nary a mention on here about the perversion of justice.

Is this a double-standard that we're wasting on our time on someone who is an awful human being by any measurement while ignoring someone who has truly spent part of their life serving others?

To answer your question, no. The structure of the justice system (which is good) requires an active, educated, and moral citizenry. Each of those has degraded so significantly the past decade (and will continue) that no matter how good the "structure" is, it no longer matters.

Why this is such a significant event is because of one word ....."gall". The establishment (media/press, career politicians, intelligence) has gotten away with so much purposeful malpractice without any consequences - especially in the recent past (I could cite a dozen examples off the top of my head) - that we have come to the point that indicting a former president for a legally frivolously reason is no longer off limits.

That fact alone should concern people drastically. If the establishment can take down a person because he is disliked by them, then what's to stop them from doing that to you if you are deemed not in alignment with the narrative. A great example of this is Douglass Mackey. Google him.

^^ Most people won't understand what I said above since they are absorbing what the establishment feeds without proper scrutiny.

In regards to Chevron, did the courts uphold this doctrine recently? On Chevron: Why would the court have the right to override the intentions of Congress to delegate the responsibility to interpret of unclear statutes to federal agencies. The solution is to (1) write more clear statutes, and (2) reduce administrative state, not to have the courts override adminstrative interpretation. The problem lies with Congress, not the courts.

Precedence has now been set. Some former presidents aren't sleeping well about now. Especially the one who was impeached for getting a hummer in a closet off the oval office. And that was just one documented dalliances by slick and the cigar saxaphone band. Comment from he who said he wouldn't contribute any more to this thread in- 5, 4, 3, 2 ...

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That fact alone should concern people drastically.


Apparently not if you're a member of a political party who has a certain emotional problem that starts with a T and ends with an S.

I can't wait for some of you to ask some of us, How did you know? So we can say to you, How did you NOT KNOW?

Duck07 wrote:

dd10snoop28 wrote: All of that leads us back to the question of "how can this be anything other than a perversion of justice?".

Is this a double-standard that we're wasting on our time on someone who is an awful human being by any measurement while ignoring someone who has truly spent part of their life serving others?

Being an "awful human being" is an entirely subjective determination, and because of that, it should have approximately ZERO bearing on how justice should be duly administered. I am surprised that you of all people would even bring that into the conversation, especially in light of your fervor against past president's that sacrifice our own citizens at the expense of fake wars. By your own standard, the indictee should be an angel in your eyes. No wars. Withdrawal from Syria and Afghanistan. Unfortunately, because of the political pressure from the Russia hoax, he actually listened to his war-mongering advisors to escalate the Ukraine/Russia by sending arms to Ukraine unlike what he had promised in his campaign. Other than that, he should be a morally upstanding individual in your eyes if you compare him to past individuals in his position.

dd10snoop28 wrote:

Duck07 wrote:

dd10snoop28 wrote: All of that leads us back to the question of "how can this be anything other than a perversion of justice?".

Is this a double-standard that we're wasting on our time on someone who is an awful human being by any measurement while ignoring someone who has truly spent part of their life serving others?

Being an "awful human being" is an entirely subjective determination, and because of that, it should have approximately ZERO bearing on how justice should be duly administered. I am surprised that you of all people would even bring that into the conversation, especially in light of your fervor against past president's that sacrifice our own citizens at the expense of fake wars. By your own standard, the indictee should be an angel in your eyes. No wars. Withdrawal from Syria and Afghanistan. Unfortunately, because of the political pressure from the Russia hoax, he actually listened to his war-mongering advisors to escalate the Ukraine/Russia by sending arms to Ukraine unlike what he had promised in his campaign. Other than that, he should be a morally upstanding individual in your eyes if you compare him to past individuals in his position.

He killed children in drone strikes, among other heinous acts. He violated the War Powers Act, he's no different than Obama or Biden in many ways.

He is an awful human being by all accounts.

He is an awful human being by all accounts.

Depending on what fake news YOU watch. Do a little research on your own. You might be surprised about what a great person he actually is. Nevermind. You’ve obviously already made up your mind.

nogerO wrote:He is an awful human being by all accounts.

Depending on what fake news YOU watch. Do a little research on your own. You might be surprised about what a great person he actually is. Nevermind. You’ve obviously already made up your mind.

He drone striked children overseas. What news are YOU watching?

What about him actually makes him a great person?

Welcome to the world where political prosecutions will become the norm. If a former president can be indicted over these frivolous charges, then all local/state/federal jurisdictions have now become empowered to specifically target their political, or personal, opponents as they see fit. This is officially the end of the rule of law and the downfall of America. It's over.

Literally the only thing that would save us right now would be if the current president came out and said that the charges being levied against the former president are frivolous at best and issues a pardon.

But who am I kidding?

dd10snoop28 wrote:Welcome to the world where political prosecutions will become the norm. If a former president can be indicted over these frivolous charges, then all local/state/federal jurisdictions have now become empowered to specifically target their political, or personal, opponents as they see fit. This is officially the end of the rule of law and the downfall of America. It's over.

Literally the only thing that would save us right now would be if the current president came out and said that the charges being levied against the former president are frivolous at best and issues a pardon.

But who am I kidding?

The problem here is that the current President would have to posses the cognitive ability to understand what is going on around him. I'm afraid that the only things that he understands are what he is told to do and say.

Duck07 wrote:

dd10snoop28 wrote:

Duck07 wrote:

dd10snoop28 wrote: All of that leads us back to the question of "how can this be anything other than a perversion of justice?".

Is this a double-standard that we're wasting on our time on someone who is an awful human being by any measurement while ignoring someone who has truly spent part of their life serving others?

Being an "awful human being" is an entirely subjective determination, and because of that, it should have approximately ZERO bearing on how justice should be duly administered. I am surprised that you of all people would even bring that into the conversation, especially in light of your fervor against past president's that sacrifice our own citizens at the expense of fake wars. By your own standard, the indictee should be an angel in your eyes. No wars. Withdrawal from Syria and Afghanistan. Unfortunately, because of the political pressure from the Russia hoax, he actually listened to his war-mongering advisors to escalate the Ukraine/Russia by sending arms to Ukraine unlike what he had promised in his campaign. Other than that, he should be a morally upstanding individual in your eyes if you compare him to past individuals in his position.

He killed children in drone strikes, among other heinous acts. He violated the War Powers Act, he's no different than Obama or Biden in many ways.

He is an awful human being by all accounts.

At least you are consistent.

However, when all of the uniparty and military industrial complex folks are in alignment with the Bushes/Obama's/Biden's, yet despise Trump, then he must be doing something that annoys them. What is it?

pezsez1 wrote:

A grand jury of his peers recommended indictment. The DA didn’t do it all on their own. He’ll have a chance to prove his innocence. Who knows maybe another group of his peers will think differently.

Didn't plan on contributing here again, but wanted to thank you for making this point. Nothing matters more than this.

Actually he doesn't have to prove his innocence. He is presumed innocent until proven guilty just like every other American is supposed to be People wanting to assume and hope for guilt because they don't like the guy. Smh

Former political leaders who were protected and shielded from being charged for improperly handling classified docs:
-Obama
-Bill Clinton
-Hillary Clinton
-Mike Pence
-Joe Biden

Not one of them is being charged.

Hillary deleted 31,000 emails AFTER being subpoenaed by the federal government and still had no charges brought against her. In her role as SOS, she had no declassification authority.

Joe Biden held classified documents in 5 separate unsecured locations. In his role as VP, he had no declassification authority.

Contrast that with the current charges being levied against the former president, who in his capacity as President at the time, did have the authority to declassify.

The powers that-be are picking and choosing which political opponents to bring down. Dark days for a formerly free (and great) nation.

Leaders who had their opponents arrested:

Stalin
Hitler
Mao
Biden

Recurring theme here?

"As president, I could have declassified, but now I can’t." - Idiot Florida man.

Seriously, I hope you folks eventually realize that you don't need Donald Trump. Ron DeSantis is basically the same guy but smarter, more effective at getting things done, NOT breaking the law, etc. Tear off that bandaid, take a hot shower and move on.