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Re: Eric Moreland (poss. recent visitor)
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 12:08 pm
by duckgrad99
oregontrack wrote:duckgrad99 wrote:Because he is a project
Who isn't, save for the elites?
and every recruit you go after shouldn't be questionable.
I don't know what this means. We've signed one guy, a point guard who had an impressive list of schools after him. The first rule of Fight Club is that you don't look at the stars behind a kid's name, you look at the caliber of schools that think the kid is worthwhile. Texas and Oklahoma obviously see something in him.
Maybe Moreland works out, but would he have even gotten a look under the old coaching staff?
But why would anyone want to use the Ernie Kent standard?
To Ernie Kents credit, he did bring in some top recruits to Oregon. I believe that if we want to get back to winning under Altman, we cannot settle for all 2-3 star recruits or projects.
Meh. We signed a coach after LOI Day. We get who we can get who the staff thinks can help the team this year. We swing for the fences later. This is a salvage job, and shouldn't be judged according to the standards of schools who have had coaches chasing after recruits for 3-4 years.
That might work at Creighton, but the bar has been raised at Oregon. At some point, I hope we can bring in 4 star players.
It doesn't matter. We need basketball players, not neat looking recruits. Recruiting is as inexact a science as there is in sports. There may not have been a bigger project in the Pac-10 in the last half dozen years than Drew Wiley, and he was a 4 star HS recruit. I watched the kid play all throughout HS, and couldn't believe the Duck fans who were drooling over a "4 star wing player!!" Problem is, he couldn't play basketball, despite being tall and a decent shooter. The staff knows what it's doing, most fans do not.
I think we need to be more picky, especially with what, 5 scholarships to give out over the next 2 seasons?
To be fair, I doubt Altman is planning on wasting a scholarship just for the sake of wasting a scholarship, like Ernie liked to do. Altman's job is riding on how the team performs, and he's been doing this a long time. If he doesn't think a certain player will help out, he won't extend an offer.
Great points. I just hope that eventually, Altman can bring in some of the more high profile recruits. From what I understand, there are some top recruits in the 2011-2012 class showing interest in Oregon, and I would just hate to miss out on some of them just to take extra bodies in this class. I certainly didn't expect it this season anyway. Loyd is a great start, and if Altman proves he can coach and win here then recruiting should be fine. I think we can both agree that Ernie's biggest problem wasn't recruiting, it was coaching. At the very least, that problem should be solved with the hiring of Altman.
Re: Eric Moreland (poss. recent visitor)
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 1:21 pm
by Boom
dthomas=ddixon wrote:
With Altman as our coach, I would actually like to see us go after some "projects" or "sleepers". Unlike Ernie he'll actually be able to develop these guys.
And you have to realize, Altman really needs to fill some schollies but is way late in the game. All thats left are projects & under the radar guys. How many 4*s did we get in the past 4 or 5 years under Kent? .... two? I think Dunigan & Wilson were the only ones.
Kent was such a "great" recruiter but he still didn't do very good in the past 5 years. We're coming off back to back 9th & 10th place finishes in conference, we are not a good program right now. We aren't going to be able to pull in a class full of 4 & 5*s. Altman is going to have to get us back to winning & making tourney appearences before that can be expected. It's too bad unrealistic standards & expectations are already being piled on Altman.
Forget the star rating....... Wilson & Dunigan were elite recruits
But there was no doubt that Matt Humpries, Teandre Williams, Malcom Armstead, Jeremy Jacob, and Josh Crittle warranted a scholarship to a Pac 10 school.
Go back and look at their high school tape.......
We have been playing with underclassman the past 2 years and unless your North Carolina or Kentucky with top 5 recruiting classes...... you wont be competitive, period.
Just because Kent couldn't coach up freshman and sophomores doesn't mean we don't have some serious talent on this roster.
Re: Eric Moreland (poss. recent visitor)
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 3:47 pm
by gofightingducks
Next season will be more of an accurate barometer as to what type of recruiter Altman is. There really are no 4-5* players left in this class and the few that are left it is a little late to try to get in the game for them. Therefore it would be wise to save a few scholarships and start early going after next years recruits.
Re: Eric Moreland (poss. recent visitor)
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 4:19 pm
by dthomas=ddixon
Boom wrote:dthomas=ddixon wrote:
With Altman as our coach, I would actually like to see us go after some "projects" or "sleepers". Unlike Ernie he'll actually be able to develop these guys.
And you have to realize, Altman really needs to fill some schollies but is way late in the game. All thats left are projects & under the radar guys. How many 4*s did we get in the past 4 or 5 years under Kent? .... two? I think Dunigan & Wilson were the only ones.
Kent was such a "great" recruiter but he still didn't do very good in the past 5 years. We're coming off back to back 9th & 10th place finishes in conference, we are not a good program right now. We aren't going to be able to pull in a class full of 4 & 5*s. Altman is going to have to get us back to winning & making tourney appearences before that can be expected. It's too bad unrealistic standards & expectations are already being piled on Altman.
Forget the star rating....... Wilson & Dunigan were elite recruits
But there was no doubt that Matt Humpries, Teandre Williams, Malcom Armstead, Jeremy Jacob, and Josh Crittle warranted a scholarship to a Pac 10 school.
Go back and look at their high school tape.......
We have been playing with underclassman the past 2 years and unless your North Carolina or Kentucky with top 5 recruiting classes...... you wont be competitive, period.
Just because Kent couldn't coach up freshman and sophomores doesn't mean we don't have some serious talent on this roster.
I totally agree with that, I think we have some really talented players on the roster. I was just pointing that out to duckgrad99. We have a really talented roster & onlt two of them were 4*s. Getting 3*s doesn't mean you aren't getting talented players.
Re: Eric Moreland (poss. recent visitor)
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:20 pm
by duckgrad99
Moreland signed with Oregon State today.