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How do you think Chip would do in recruiting as Head coach at USC ?

He would do just fine, probably even better than at Oregon since it's a lot easier to keep kids in LA than attracting them to Eugene and USC has a good winning tradition.

[EncinitasDuck]

Mac Brown = great recruiter, terrible x's and o's coach.......
It's finally catching up with him. Can you imagine what Chip could do with that talent.

How hard is it to be a "great recruiter" when you are at the University of Texas though?
Commits not from the state of Texas....

2011 - 1
2010 - 3
2009 - 1
2008 - 1
2007 - 1

I would bet that Mack would not be considered such a great recruiter if he was somewhere like Eugene.

Probably true, kinda like Petey .

Pete Carroll was/is an elite recruiter.

And with that close the thread. Bumi has spoken.

Just saying. The proof's in the pudding. Total dominance over the Pac-10 for nearly a decade, multiple championship runs, tons of players in the NFL, etc. Dude could attract talent. And as you see, as good as Kiffin and company are in the recruiting area, after PC's departure, SC's recruiting efforts have slid a bit.

Don't think its fair to judge Kiffin (as much as I dislike the man) after one year of recruiting when he got there late and had to scramble, plus with the probation its going to be a bit tougher on him. You've got to think that the inevitable sanctions entered into Petey's thoughts about recruiting with that cloud hanging over the school.

USC has always had top notch recruits its just that they had a period there when they didn't have great coaching and thus the luster was a bit lost. Yes Carroll shined it back up, but thats not to say that any other top notch coach couldn't have done the same job.

[Bigducker]

I asked that question with tongue planted firmly in cheek. IMO Chip would have recruited every bit as well as Petey and won more national championships than Petey. Look what he's done at Oregon in his short time. If DD doesn't go down in 2007 we could have been playing for 2 NC in just 4 years. I rest my case ! Can't imagine what Chip could do with all that U$C talent..... Whoaaaa

[uostudent]

When you win and dominate like they did, have the hollyweird crowd on the sidelines all the time, the recruit's are pounding on your door to get in. Believe me it wasn't that hard for Petey to recruit when most of the top players are in your backyard and grew up salivating to go to U$C.

This is true. That being said, I still think he is a better recruiter than Brown. Really, people are lining up to play at UT as well. Pete was able to land top out of state guys as well as the CA kids. Mack can't say the same. Then again, it also looks like Pete paid better than Mack did... so maybe USC just has better boosters.

Pete Carroll was a great recruiter, but so is Mack Brown. Texas rarely recruits kids outside of Texas because they don't need to. Texas has an extremely high yield rate when it comes to recruits being offered and then accepting an offer. This is the reason why usually locks down their entire recruiting class very early in the process.

Have to disagree about Mack Brown's coaching ability. Save for this year, the guy is an amazing motivator and a great leader. For x's and o's, Mack relies heavily on his coordinators. He may be loyal to a fault, as their offensive coordinator Greg Davis has been with him going back to his UNC days. Davis is a very mediocre OC.

If Mack Brown is such a crappy coach, then why did he have so much success at a basketball school like UNC? It took UNC years to get back to a respectable level after Brown left.

[SeattleDuck]

When you win and dominate like they did, have the hollyweird crowd on the sidelines all the time, the recruit's are pounding on your door to get in. Believe me it wasn't that hard for Petey to recruit when most of the top players are in your backyard and grew up salivating to go to U$C.

This is true. That being said, I still think he is a better recruiter than Brown. Really, people are lining up to play at UT as well. Pete was able to land top out of state guys as well as the CA kids. Mack can't say the same. Then again, it also looks like Pete paid better than Mack did... so maybe USC just has better boosters.

Pete Carroll was a great recruiter, but so is Mack Brown. Texas rarely recruits kids outside of Texas because they don't need to. Texas has an extremely high yield rate when it comes to recruits being offered and then accepting an offer. This is the reason why usually locks down their entire recruiting class very early in the process.

Have to disagree about Mack Brown's coaching ability. Save for this year, the guy is an amazing motivator and a great leader. For x's and o's, Mack relies heavily on his coordinators. He may be loyal to a fault, as their offensive coordinator Greg Davis has been with him going back to his UNC days. Davis is a very mediocre OC.

If Mack Brown is such a crappy coach, then why did he have so much success at a basketball school like UNC? It took UNC years to get back to a respectable level after Brown left.

While I agree that Mack Brown has been a great coach, he seems to have worn out his shelf-life. It seems complacency has set in with Texas this year, and much, if not all of that, falls on the head coach. Almost all great coaches (obviously guys like Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden are exceptions, but Bowden was just forced out and Paterno is in a stretch of mediocrity) are done after 12 years at a school, and Mack seems to be fatigued. The best thing for Texas would be to move on with Muschamp, as he (being the HC in waiting) has openly expressed his distaste for Greg Davis, Macwhorter, and the rest of Mack's old friends. This isn't to say that Texas could never be successful again with Mack, but the best move immediately going forward is likely to go with new blood.