Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment

[DuckMastaFunk]

Does anybody think that if Oregon State left the conference and Oregon was left holding the bag that OS fans would root for Oregon to land in a good spot?

[UofDuck]

Want to bet that the Civil War won’t be a priority to the Beavs if they get in the Big 12? Their narrative will take a hard 180. .

[buckmarkduck]

Think I saw a tweet someplace saying Cal AD is like -490mill or so in the hole.

[pezsez1]

Does anybody think that if Oregon State left the conference and Oregon was left holding the bag that OS fans would root for Oregon to land in a good spot?

Are we talking about real-world fans or people on message boards?

Most Beaver fans are normal, rational people who would not want to see the Ducks cast aside for nothing.

[lmduck]

Does anybody think that if Oregon State left the conference and Oregon was left holding the bag that OS fans would root for Oregon to land in a good spot?

Are we talking about real-world fans or people on message boards?

Most Beaver fans are normal, rational people who would not want to see the Ducks cast aside for nothing.

Certainly there are sane, rational fans in all fan bases. Most view it as a fun thing we bond over and when the game is over, it's over. I have colleagues who are Utes, Dawgs, Bears and Bruins. I have close family members who are beavers. Unfortunately there is an element of every fan base who literally hates another fan base more than they love their own team. My experience has been that there is a good sized contingent of beaver fans who fall in the 'I hate the Ducks more than I love the beavers'. Yes, they are usually the loud mouths on social media.

The bottom line is I don't think if the Beavs were asked to join the Big they would have said 'hey, wait what about the Ducks'. I said that in an earlier post as well.

I do hope they land and I think the Big 12 would be great for them. Jonathan Smith has them on the upside and will succeed there. If they are relegated to the Mt West he might think about moving on to something else. Again just my postulating here but I think the Big 12 would be great for them. Along with Utah, TCU and maybe Texas Tech they could be a power player in that conference IMO .

[squintsdd]

Does anybody think that if Oregon State left the conference and Oregon was left holding the bag that OS fans would root for Oregon to land in a good spot?

Are we talking about real-world fans or people on message boards?

Most Beaver fans are normal, rational people who would not want to see the Ducks cast aside for nothing.

Most real world beaver fans I know absolutely would love to see Oregon cast aside.

[greenyellow]

The numbers that Fox, ESPN, and others were offering the Pac-12 late in negotiations have leaked and they aren't good. It's no wonder the Pac-12 schools had no choice but to move on.

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[squintsdd]

What was the original offer from fox and ESPN a year ago?

[greenyellow]

What was the original offer from fox and ESPN a year ago?

From what I've sort of pieced together, it's roughly around what the Big 12 is getting per school.

[pezsez1]

Re: Oregon State.

One of the most interesting talking points I've heard since last week's nuclear blast was that perhaps the Beavers would be better off in the Mountain West.

Now, I don't necessarily agree with this. The Gary Anderson era really set OSU back, and if you eliminate that then the Beavers have been Power 5-worthy over the past couple decades. They're ranked now and on an upward trajectory, not just on the field but off of it as well with recent infrastructure upgrades.

However, is Oregon State more like Oregon or Boise State? I think the answer to that question is pretty clear. I also think teams like Boise State have shown that G5 programs can build an impressive regional brand and still rise up to play with the big boys with unheralded recruits -- which is pretty much what OSU does right now.

Assuming the Beavers land in the Mountain West, I'm wondering if after a few years Beaver fans will adjust and be happier with winning more games in a more equitable conference. Or will they miss the days of being the feisty underdog and sometimes winning as the small fish in the big pond?

[Duck07]

Re: Oregon State.

One of the most interesting talking points I've heard since last week's nuclear blast was that perhaps the Beavers would be better off in the Mountain West.

Now, I don't necessarily agree with this. The Gary Anderson era really set OSU back, and if you eliminate that then the Beavers have been Power 5-worthy over the past couple decades. They're ranked now and on an upward trajectory, not just on the field but off of it as well with recent infrastructure upgrades.

However, is Oregon State more like Oregon or Boise State? I think the answer to that question is pretty clear. I also think teams like Boise State have shown that G5 programs can build an impressive regional brand and still rise up to play with the big boys with unheralded recruits -- which is pretty much what OSU does right now.

Assuming the Beavers land in the Mountain West, I'm wondering if after a few years Beaver fans will adjust and be happier with winning more games in a more equitable conference. Or will they miss the days of being the feisty underdog and sometimes winning as the small fish in the big pond?

Boise was Peterson and OSU will suffer the same fate IF Smith leaves. poodles that are unsure of deboer are already talking about him

[StevensTechU]

Much of the draw of Oregon State is, like WSU, that they play a Power 5 schedule and get much more attention than G5. If that isn't part of their pitch, they don't have much that sets them apart from Nevada, Colorado State, etc. and could/will see their recruiting drop. I think there's a misconception going around that a move wouldn't impact their recruiting, but I believe that's dead wrong. Much of Boise's demise from their heights in the early 2000s is due to P5 conference teams taking the talent that Boise once got.

OSU's infrastructure and brand recognition could help them stay around a Boise level, but the hit to the pocketbook is going to make keeping coaches more difficult. Overall, I see more wins for OSU if they go G-5, but I see the outcomes for them ranging from becoming Fresno to becoming Nevada.

[Duck07]

Much of the draw of Oregon State is, like WSU, that they play a Power 5 schedule and get much more attention than G5. If that isn't part of their pitch, they don't have much that sets them apart from Nevada, Colorado State, etc. and could/will see their recruiting drop. I think there's a misconception going around that a move wouldn't impact their recruiting, but I believe that's dead wrong. Much of Boise's demise from their heights in the early 2000s is due to P5 conference teams taking the talent that Boise once got.

OSU's infrastructure and brand recognition could help them stay around a Boise level, but the hit to the pocketbook is going to make keeping coaches more difficult. Overall, I see more wins for OSU if they go G-5, but I see the outcomes for them ranging from becoming Fresno to becoming Nevada.

the portal is going to have to be their bread and butter to make it work

[StevensTechU]

Much of the draw of Oregon State is, like WSU, that they play a Power 5 schedule and get much more attention than G5. If that isn't part of their pitch, they don't have much that sets them apart from Nevada, Colorado State, etc. and could/will see their recruiting drop. I think there's a misconception going around that a move wouldn't impact their recruiting, but I believe that's dead wrong. Much of Boise's demise from their heights in the early 2000s is due to P5 conference teams taking the talent that Boise once got.

OSU's infrastructure and brand recognition could help them stay around a Boise level, but the hit to the pocketbook is going to make keeping coaches more difficult. Overall, I see more wins for OSU if they go G-5, but I see the outcomes for them ranging from becoming Fresno to becoming Nevada.

the portal is going to have to be their bread and butter to make it work

Portal recruiting isn't any different than high school recruiting. Oregon State gets a lot of their impact players from the JUCO ranks, as well. I don't think Oregon State gets DJU, Tre'shaun Harrison, Rejzhon Wright, Deshaun Fenwick, etc. if they're G5. Other Power 5 teams wanted those guys.

[Duck07]

Portal recruiting isn't any different than high school recruiting. Oregon State gets a lot of their impact players from the JUCO ranks, as well. I don't think Oregon State gets DJU, Tre'shaun Harrison, Rejzhon Wright, Deshaun Fenwick, etc. if they're G5. Other Power 5 teams wanted those guys.

i think they can as long as they can retain Smith. being a quality coach still matters