Wisconsin @ #6 Oregon (October 25, Sat 4 PM FS1)

[squintsdd]

First quarter:

1st Drive: 2 runs, 2 passes
2nd Drive: 2 runs, 4 passes
3rd Drive: Trick play, 2 passes
4th Drive: 2 runs, 4 passes

No OC is perfect. I'm annoyed here because having a pass-centric attack in wet conditions is just so basic.

Stein also probably goes away from the run too quickly. If the first down run isn't successful, he has a heavy tendency to spend the next two plays passing.

To add to this, and i might be wrong, but his second down play seems to often be a WR screen. Just once I'd love to see Oregon fake that screen and have all the receivers blow past their defender as they coming running in to attack the screen.

[StevensTechU]

I’m curious your thoughts on this complaint of mine, that it fees like Stein runs too many formations/packages and it just feels like at times the offense is more focused on being set correctly rather than playing football. I know sometimes it works great and Stein looks like a genius/mad scientist, but so many times we’ve seen a mistake kill a drive. It also bugs me how long it takes to ensure the proper formations/packages when a drive is going well, it seems to take all momentum/rhythm from the offense.

Procedure penalties ultimately fall on the OC. How often does a penalty take us from a 2nd-and-covertible or 3rd-and-convertible to a 2nd or 3rd-and-unlikely-to-convert, I'm not sure. Unfortunately, I don't data mine like a hythloday to be able to give you a good answer. I've only been able to re-watch one game this season and things on the family and work fronts probably won't get any more accommodating, but it's a good question.

Just off a quick search, Oregon is tied for 27th least penalized team in the country at 5.0 flags per game (Iowa is #1 at 2.4 per game). Wouldn't seem to indicate that penalties are killing the offense's mojo.

[droop10]

The problem with the weather narrative is that the weather was fine to start the game and that’s when Dante Moore and the offense struggled the most. We saw the most success when the weather turned terrible and our walk on quarterback was playing.

I would rephrase as we struggled the most when we tried to throw our way to victory and running plays involved slow developments behind the line of scrimmage, and succeeded when the run game became more north-and-south.

I'm not usually on to come on here and complain about playcalls, but the pass-centric game plan when meteorologists said all week that it would be rainy was baffling. Even when the offense became more run-focused, the ball was still put in harm's way with the amount of pitches and shovels involved. I didn't love it.

I still wonder if the eventual weather played into the play calling. Wisconsin has a very good run D, and mediocre pass D. I wonder if part of their plan to start fast was to try to take advantage of passing opportunities before the really terrible weather rolled in. I would imagine the concern is that it would be more difficult to run the ball once an already very good run D was able to focus on the run due to inclement weather. It obviously didn't end up playing out that way, but it's hard to know that when game planning. So, the plan was to try to exploit a bad pass defense while they still had the chance. I think fans expect a team to ditch a game plan, because of 1 or 2 bad series. They obviously adjusted once they figured out what was working, and rode that to the end. Sloppy start, but I blame execution as much as play calling.

[Duck07]

It's pretty impressive the kind of stat/game tracking that computers can do with film vs the old spreadsheets that you'd have to create. No doubt the Coaches should be able to see the data on their own play-calling to know if they're trending certain plays on down/distance.

Purely speculative, but I have gotten the sense that Dante is just a youthful person and needs more growing up which is why some of these things like not seeing routes when under pressure happen. On the other side of the ball, Matayo hasn't had a bad year, but he also hasn't had as much of an impact as I had thought he would going into the year and if I had to guess, there's a chance he may come back too.

[bdkipe]

One thing we need to consider is how much of this is RPO and up to Dante and Poncho to be on the same page in box hatcount?

Bo and DG had literally seen everything in their careers and remember DG struggled very early with protection adjustments, checks, etc. Despite DG sometimes sounding like a Polynesian Jeff Spicoli, I think he was quite intelligent book wise, football wise and emotionally.

I am starting to wonder if Stein’s philosophy is perhaps fighting fire with fire? One of the ways college defenses are starting to adjust to RPO’s and transfer QB’s (less time in their new OC’s system) is to disguise the numbers count on who is really in the box once the ball is snapped.

Perhaps Stein is using motions, shifts and eye candy to either get them to tip the hand or to create a bust somewhere.

Case in point: Rutgers thought they would take a page from Indiana’s playbook and get cute pre snap with their single file front 7. Stein basically went into “ok, process this mfers” Mode and we saw how quick that got Rutgers to back off. Once they backed off the floodgates opened.

Also, I would think it should give us confidence that when our Oline just simplified and went hat on hat, Wisconsin couldn’t do anything about it. They have an above average run defense as well. And as I’ve said ad museum they KNEW runs were coming. There was nothing they could do.

I don’t know the X-Os in football the way some on here do, but it seems odd to me that DC’s are praised and lauded for being multiple and disguising their intent while OC’s that do the same thing back to said DC’s are now being criticized. I’m not saying it’s valid or invalid, I’m saying it’s strange to me, a fan with no technical knowledge.

[bellsduck]

Oregon's defense ranks 134th (tied for last) in the country in opponent red zone scoring percentage and 132nd in opponent red zone touchdown percentage.
Saw this on ESPN earlier and didn't know where else to put it. But I know people were upset Wisconsin scored.
It looks like everyone scores against us once they get inside the 20.

[pezsez1]

To be fair about that defensive redzone stat, our starters only allowed one touchdown through our first three games, and then seven TDs over the next five (and one was in OT). So that's eight TDs allowed by our starters over eight games this season. One TD per game is a pretty nice average.

Sports debate is often very problematic because we're not exactly looking at realistic scientific sample sizes. I think this is a great example of that.

[spacefrog13x]

To be fair about that defensive redzone stat, our starters only allowed one touchdown through our first three games, and then seven TDs over the next five (and one was in OT). So that's eight TDs allowed by our starters over eight games this season. One TD per game is a pretty nice average.

Sports debate is often very problematic because we're not exactly looking at realistic scientific sample sizes. I think this is a great example of that.

^ This. More interesting would be a stat showing how many times they held the opponent to a FG attempt instead of touchdown. or points/per possession allowed in the red zone.

[bdkipe]

Given the choice, I’d rather the opp just not get into the red zone, something we’ve been quite adept at this year.

[bellsduck]

In a system that relies heavily on eye test and a committee looking at stats in a conference room, maybe it's a concerning stat to some

[pezsez1]

Is there no Ducks vs Them for this game? Seems like it should be out already.

[greenyellow]

Is there no Ducks vs Them for this game? Seems like it should be out already.

It'll be out today as Scott Anderson said they had to develop actual film to complete it.

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