rockthief wrote:Pritchard never really improved onto his Senior year. I thought he was going to kill other teams but he does not. Hello NIT.
Seems like PP has been on this team for a half decade, but he is only a Junior.
WAIT! WHAT? We have been told so many times that the refs "swallow their whistle" at the end of the game so as not to influence the outcome of the game. Maybe they wanted to influence the outcome and keep more Pac12 teams to have a chance at "March Madness"?
Yes, Pritchard should not have put himself in a position where the foul was called on such a low percentage shot.
The team, minus Bol, has to be completely healthy to be in every game. And they really haven't been that all year. Another problem is Pritchard, I don't think he's really in the right system and it affects his confidence. In the open court or with fast playmakers who can create like Brooks and Dorsey, he's more of a pure point guard. That's when he's been most effective.
But in this offense where King and White are the main shooters, there isn't really anybody to take it too the basket or draw pressure. Pritchard just looks so frustrated when he has to drive through the paint just to dump it to White who immediately gets mauled by like three players. Okoro and Norris will gradually be a threat down low once they polish their game but they are still too young. The ideal role for Pritchard would be Casey Benson's, secondary ball handler with the occasional three. But he's scrambling right now in a role that really doesn't fit him.
This is a team that never really had a chance, every step forward was met with two steps back. Altman has to do more to guarantee more speed and play making at the PG position. Actually more speed and play making in general. Dillon Brooks would have been on that Washington player so fast before the end of regulation he never would have in a position to be over extended. It would be nice if Pritchard could closed out games without that bewildered look on his face.
rockthief wrote:Pritchard never really improved onto his Senior year. I thought he was going to kill other teams but he does not. Hello NIT.
Seems like PP has been on this team for a half decade, but he is only a Junior.
WAIT! WHAT? We have been told so many times that the refs "swallow their whistle" at the end of the game so as not to influence the outcome of the game. Maybe they wanted to influence the outcome and keep more Pac12 teams to have a chance at "March Madness"?
Yes, Pritchard should not have put himself in a position where the foul was called on such a low percentage shot.
But Pritchard was killed on this forum last year for not playing defense against Boise State when a last second prayer went in from half court.
These problems began last year. Instead of playing the young players (kigab, Bailey, wooten to some extent) Coach Altman leaned heavily on McIntosh and Brown all for what became an NIT year.
Not only did those players suck up valuable minutes for players who should have been gaining confidence and improving, but those players were also selfish in terms of their goals which were more to showcase themselves for the next level rather than play winning basketball. That started a trend that I feel still exists and certainly will be the case as Oregon's recruiting is such that it attracts the one and dones.
Coach Altman constantly talks about the importance of defence and rebounding yet continues to play people who have trouble doing either. I think he is a good coach but he is not handling the changing environment of players coming in for one year and demanding things. I believe he has a reputation of bringing in grad transfers as well which makes the problem more difficult perhaps.
The players are no longer as accountable in my opinion. Think back to Troy Brown who had great moments but also plenty of times where his play certainly did not warrant the playing time he was receiving (5 plus turnovers in a game etc). There has to be tremendous pressure on the coaches to play the 5 star guys so they can showcase themselves. This is the new normal of high level college basketball.
They appear to have a somewhat dysfunctional team climate
duckwatcher wrote:These problems began last year. Instead of playing the young players (kigab, Bailey, wooten to some extent) Coach Altman leaned heavily on McIntosh and Brown all for what became an NIT year.
Not only did those players suck up valuable minutes for players who should have been gaining confidence and improving, but those players were also selfish in terms of their goals which were more to showcase themselves for the next level rather than play winning basketball. That started a trend that I feel still exists and certainly will be the case as Oregon's recruiting is such that it attracts the one and dones.
Coach Altman constantly talks about the importance of defence and rebounding yet continues to play people who have trouble doing either. I think he is a good coach but he is not handling the changing environment of players coming in for one year and demanding things. I believe he has a reputation of bringing in grad transfers as well which makes the problem more difficult perhaps.
The players are no longer as accountable in my opinion. Think back to Troy Brown who had great moments but also plenty of times where his play certainly did not warrant the playing time he was receiving (5 plus turnovers in a game etc). There has to be tremendous pressure on the coaches to play the 5 star guys so they can showcase themselves. This is the new normal of high level college basketball.
They appear to have a somewhat dysfunctional team climate
Brown did nothing to help this team, all he did like you said was take minutes from the younger dudes.
Pritchard would probably be better as a combo guard, or just a catch and shoot 3-point specialist. I feel like this team would benefit more from a true PG.
Our defensive intensity was incredible the last 10 minutes. If we played like that at least half the game, we win.
duckwatcher wrote:These problems began last year. Instead of playing the young players (kigab, Bailey, wooten to some extent) Coach Altman leaned heavily on McIntosh and Brown all for what became an NIT year.
Not only did those players suck up valuable minutes for players who should have been gaining confidence and improving, but those players were also selfish in terms of their goals which were more to showcase themselves for the next level rather than play winning basketball. That started a trend that I feel still exists and certainly will be the case as Oregon's recruiting is such that it attracts the one and dones.
Coach Altman constantly talks about the importance of defence and rebounding yet continues to play people who have trouble doing either. I think he is a good coach but he is not handling the changing environment of players coming in for one year and demanding things. I believe he has a reputation of bringing in grad transfers as well which makes the problem more difficult perhaps.
The players are no longer as accountable in my opinion. Think back to Troy Brown who had great moments but also plenty of times where his play certainly did not warrant the playing time he was receiving (5 plus turnovers in a game etc). There has to be tremendous pressure on the coaches to play the 5 star guys so they can showcase themselves. This is the new normal of high level college basketball.
They appear to have a somewhat dysfunctional team climate
In the same post you argue that young players weren't getting enough minutes, but then freshman Troy Brown was getting too many minutes. I also disagree that McIntosh was a selfish player, but to each his own. I think McIntosh was actually one of the few guys that could create on his own, and last year would have been much worse without him. Elijah Brown on the other hand was a disaster, but I think that was expected from the beginning. I can agree with Brown being a selfish player, and liability, however, that's about all I agree with. You argue T. Brown should have seen less minutes due to poor play, but argue others like Kigab should have seen additional minutes despite sloppy play. It just seems a little contradictory.
rockthief wrote:Pritchard never really improved onto his Senior year. I thought he was going to kill other teams but he does not. Hello NIT.
Seems like PP has been on this team for a half decade, but he is only a Junior.
WAIT! WHAT? We have been told so many times that the refs "swallow their whistle" at the end of the game so as not to influence the outcome of the game. Maybe they wanted to influence the outcome and keep more Pac12 teams to have a chance at "March Madness"?
Yes, Pritchard should not have put himself in a position where the foul was called on such a low percentage shot.
Wow, I really thought he was a Senior. He played well his first two years, but maybe he is overwhelmed with leadership burdens this season. Some of his turnovers are real head scratchers for me, especially the last minutes.
So many Freshmen on the team, more than I realized until I just now looked at the roster. Much can be forgiven because of that.
Pritchard's struggles remind me a bit of Aaron Brooks' once upon a time. Anyone who recalls the 2006 season -- the year prior to the second Elite Eight run where we lost to Florida -- Brooks (a junior) was allergic to just about every clutch situation he found himself in. Turnovers, bad misses, poor free throw execution; if there was a tight situation, AB got in his own head and messed it up. Nobody knew who Tajuan Porter was at the time, and after the season ended people were so panicked about our point guard situation eDuck was openly wondering if Adrian Stelly -- little-used walk-on guard who played decently in the Pac-10 tournament after Brooks was ejected/suspended for elbowing that Washington dude -- should take his place.
Then 2007 hit, and Brooks had an amazing senior year, and now he's fondly remembered.
I'm not saying Pritchard is going to take the Herculean leap from where he is now to Aaron Brooks-level production next year, I just don't know what to add about last night that hasn't already been said.
I think TK1 nailed it with saying Pritchard isn't a true PG, he's a great shooter and can score well, but he's not a natural at running an offense. He was fine as a sort of behind the scene PG in his Freshman year when Dorsey, Brooks, and Ennis pretty much ran everything, but since then he's been placed with the responsibility of running the offense and it just doesn't work with him. It reminds of Tajuan Porter, who I think is a better comparison than Aaron Brooks. Porter was a lights out shooter, and his Freshman year he played SG while Brooks was the PG, and he excelled at that. Brooks graduates and the next three years he's forced by EK to play PG cause there was nobody else able to play that position, and suddenly he wasn't near as effective. Fact is, Altman hasn't found an excelling PG on this team in a while, and that was fine on the Final Four team cause of the outstanding scoring abilities of Dorsey, Brooks, and Ennis on the wing, but since then an elite PG would've been crucial and Altman hasn't gotten one or developed one. I do feel as though Troy Brown last year and Will Richardson this year should've been more developed into that role, but Altman over-relied on Pritchard and that's not working. If we land Cole Anthony, Altman NEEDS to start him at PG instead of Pritchard. I'd be so upset with Altman if we land an elite PG like that and Altman still starts Pritchard over him.
What a mess! That was just plain gross last night. Less than 20 points in the first half yet AGAIN? It is like I am having flashbacks to the 1991-1992 season. And what is up with Pritchard right now??? He has basically turned into a less productive version of Brandon Lincoln. I he is better than this because I have seen it with my own eyes.
Still, the PAC-12 tournament is very winnable. Altman just needs to figure out a way to teach this team how to score before March.
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OregonFan4Life wrote:I think TK1 nailed it with saying Pritchard isn't a true PG, he's a great shooter and can score well, but he's not a natural at running an offense. He was fine as a sort of behind the scene PG in his Freshman year when Dorsey, Brooks, and Ennis pretty much ran everything, but since then he's been placed with the responsibility of running the offense and it just doesn't work with him. It reminds of Tajuan Porter, who I think is a better comparison than Aaron Brooks. Porter was a lights out shooter, and his Freshman year he played SG while Brooks was the PG, and he excelled at that. Brooks graduates and the next three years he's forced by EK to play PG cause there was nobody else able to play that position, and suddenly he wasn't near as effective. Fact is, Altman hasn't found an excelling PG on this team in a while, and that was fine on the Final Four team cause of the outstanding scoring abilities of Dorsey, Brooks, and Ennis on the wing, but since then an elite PG would've been crucial and Altman hasn't gotten one or developed one. I do feel as though Troy Brown last year and Will Richardson this year should've been more developed into that role, but Altman over-relied on Pritchard and that's not working. If we land Cole Anthony, Altman NEEDS to start him at PG instead of Pritchard. I'd be so upset with Altman if we land an elite PG like that and Altman still starts Pritchard over him.
If we get Anthony (and that is a huge IF) then he will start at PG from Day 1. I honestly think PP would be happy to slide over to SG. He was on Brandon Williams big time to try and get him to come to Oregon. Pritchard sees it just as clearly as you do, i think.
OregonFan4Life wrote:I think TK1 nailed it with saying Pritchard isn't a true PG, he's a great shooter and can score well, but he's not a natural at running an offense. He was fine as a sort of behind the scene PG in his Freshman year when Dorsey, Brooks, and Ennis pretty much ran everything, but since then he's been placed with the responsibility of running the offense and it just doesn't work with him. It reminds of Tajuan Porter, who I think is a better comparison than Aaron Brooks. Porter was a lights out shooter, and his Freshman year he played SG while Brooks was the PG, and he excelled at that. Brooks graduates and the next three years he's forced by EK to play PG cause there was nobody else able to play that position, and suddenly he wasn't near as effective. Fact is, Altman hasn't found an excelling PG on this team in a while, and that was fine on the Final Four team cause of the outstanding scoring abilities of Dorsey, Brooks, and Ennis on the wing, but since then an elite PG would've been crucial and Altman hasn't gotten one or developed one. I do feel as though Troy Brown last year and Will Richardson this year should've been more developed into that role, but Altman over-relied on Pritchard and that's not working. If we land Cole Anthony, Altman NEEDS to start him at PG instead of Pritchard. I'd be so upset with Altman if we land an elite PG like that and Altman still starts Pritchard over him.
If we get Anthony (and that is a huge IF) then he will start at PG from Day 1. I honestly think PP would be happy to slide over to SG. He was on Brandon Williams big time to try and get him to come to Oregon. Pritchard sees it just as clearly as you do, i think.
Why is that a huge if? A lot of what I'm hearing is that he's down to Oregon and North Carolina and there's no clear cut favorite between the two, maybe I'm missing something.
OregonFan4Life wrote:I think TK1 nailed it with saying Pritchard isn't a true PG, he's a great shooter and can score well, but he's not a natural at running an offense. He was fine as a sort of behind the scene PG in his Freshman year when Dorsey, Brooks, and Ennis pretty much ran everything, but since then he's been placed with the responsibility of running the offense and it just doesn't work with him. It reminds of Tajuan Porter, who I think is a better comparison than Aaron Brooks. Porter was a lights out shooter, and his Freshman year he played SG while Brooks was the PG, and he excelled at that. Brooks graduates and the next three years he's forced by EK to play PG cause there was nobody else able to play that position, and suddenly he wasn't near as effective. Fact is, Altman hasn't found an excelling PG on this team in a while, and that was fine on the Final Four team cause of the outstanding scoring abilities of Dorsey, Brooks, and Ennis on the wing, but since then an elite PG would've been crucial and Altman hasn't gotten one or developed one. I do feel as though Troy Brown last year and Will Richardson this year should've been more developed into that role, but Altman over-relied on Pritchard and that's not working. If we land Cole Anthony, Altman NEEDS to start him at PG instead of Pritchard. I'd be so upset with Altman if we land an elite PG like that and Altman still starts Pritchard over him.
If we get Anthony (and that is a huge IF) then he will start at PG from Day 1. I honestly think PP would be happy to slide over to SG. He was on Brandon Williams big time to try and get him to come to Oregon. Pritchard sees it just as clearly as you do, i think.
Why is that a huge if? A lot of what I'm hearing is that he's down to Oregon and North Carolina and there's no clear cut favorite between the two, maybe I'm missing something.
You are not really missing anything. Everything I have seen indicates he is down to those two as well. However, if this season continues to derail and we miss the tourney again, you have to wonder if we realistically have a shot.
