#15 Oregon State @ #6 Oregon (Nov. 24, Fri 5:30 PM Fox)

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gogreen55 wrote:
duckpoint wrote:Is there an updated injury report?

I don't recall seeing any injuries at ASU...
Here is a link to an article that mentions some injury news on Evan Williams. Hopefully it is mainly precautionary and nothing that will limit him over the next couple weeks.

https://www.on3.com/college/oregon-duck ... th-injury/
Thanks! It sounds like he just got dinged up and play afterwards.

FWIW, Evan Williams reminds me of Troy Dye as far as being a hard hitting ball hawk with a motor that never quits!
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Not only did we not need those guys in the game beyond the second quarter, but our backups did a hell of a job. Love seeing those guys get reps. I feel like we've seen improvement up and down the roster this season.
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ducks5ever wrote: James is just a journalist. I think the context matters too. People aren't going to enjoy hearing this but our SOS is pretty weak at this point. That factors into the statistics too. We have faced probably only 3 good offenses so far this season - UW, USC, and maybe Cal (but they're breaking in a freshman QB).

OSU is probably our 2nd or 3rd toughest opponent this season so I think it makes more sense to look at how we did against UW/USC than to look at how we did against Utah/Stanford, etc.

I don't follow OSU football closely, but based on my recollection, they don't have as much talent as we do but they are well coached and have good fundamentals.
by SP+, UW is the 9th ranked team with the 4th best offense, 44th defense (we're 4th and we've got the #1 SP+ Offense, #17 Defense)
OSU is 12th with the 16th best offense, 26th defense
USC is 30th with the 3rd best offense, 113th defense
Utah is 37th (57 offense, 31 defense)
Texas Tech is 44th (48 Offense, 52 defense)
WSU is 50th (32 offense, 81 defense)
Cal is 71 (39 offense, 97 defense)
Colorado is 84 (40 offense, 123 defense)
ASU is 106 (they dropped 15 places from 91 by playing us)
Stanford is 108
Hawaii is 123

If you do SP+ by Conference (it includes SEC Cupcake Saturday which obv helps and explains Michigan at #1)
1 - SEC with 9.7
2 - PAC with 5.4
3 - B1G with 5.2
4 - Big 12 with 4.6
5 - ACC with 3.4
The biggest issues is the 9 game conference schedule and only having 12 teams in the conference, it forces extra losses and just erodes the numbers as the years goes on. The fact it's not discussed just boggles my mind.
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People, and teams always gripe about having so many injuries. I think it begs conversation on how lucky the Ducks have been, for the most part, this year. Trying to think back when they didn’t have key player/players out in an important late stretch of games. Ducks have been seriously fortunate. But they also haven’t been this deep. Jinx unintentional.
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Everythingsducky wrote:People, and teams always gripe about having so many injuries. I think it begs conversation on how lucky the Ducks have been, for the most part, this year. Trying to think back when they didn’t have key player/players out in an important late stretch of games. Ducks have been seriously fortunate. But they also haven’t been this deep. Jinx unintentional.
The most major injury they had was Jestin Jacobs missing the first half of the season. If Oregon had him against UW, he probably makes a big difference there.
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Phalanx wrote:Did Oregon State also stop calling it the Civil War, or was that just nonsense from the Oregon side? If they didn't stop, I don't see why outside announcers would. Heck, Jerry Allen slipped and called it the Civil War on the radio last Saturday.
Unfortunately, both schools made a major deal about officially dropping the name...
In a statement released by OSU, president Ed Ray said the universities agreed to drop the name as it has a connection to a war fought to preserve slavery.

“Changing this name is overdue,” Ray said. “While not intended as reference to the actual Civil War, OSU sports competition should not provide any misconstrued reference to this divisive episode in American history. That we did not act before to change the name was a mistake.”
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2020/ ... games.html
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> connection to a war fought to preserve slavery

This would only make sense if it was called the war between the states game.
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I'm going to regret this, because it's all just re-hashing things that've already been beaten to death.

Across the globe, when people hear "Civil War," they think broadly about a war occurring within a nation. In the U.S., in 49 or 50 states, people hear "Civil War" and they think "the American Civil War." In 1 U.S. state, Oregon, people think "The Ducks versus the Beavers." The term isn't offensive to people across the globe, except that you're comparing sports to war which is kind of dumb, because it's a broad term. The term isn't offensive to Oregonians, because they grew up with it being a reference to sports, not connected to anything else. In 49 U.S. states that aren't Oregon, because they're rooted in Civil War meaning American Civil War, they scratch their heads and assume there must be a connection, even though there's not.

Every one of the ex-players who spoke out about the Civil War name was one who came from a state where Civil War meant something different than to Oregonians. Johnny Ragin (Wilsonville) said he had no problem with it. Thomas Tyner (Aloha) said he had no problem with it. It's just unfortunate that for folks in 49 states, the term to them is loaded. My stance is "Sorry, but that's a 'you' problem," because there's no reference being made to the American Civil War like some other places (*Ahem, Ole Miss and UNLV).

The argument against saying Civil War is weak, the alternatives are stupid, and absolutely nobody is being hurt. Carry on. /rant
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When people have the time to get upset over the use of Civil War as a Sports Rivalry, I have to wonder what their actual concern is, especially with everything else going on in the world? Like, are you a Moron or were you just born yesterday? If someone feels offended by being asked that, I'd have to wonder how serious they are because there is some serious s*** going on the world and this is grade A pedantry to focus your daily time on.

Pez also brought up a great point about the Marketing failure of this attempt because they didn't have something in line to replace it, more of a "this is OBVIOUSLY the most racist abhorrent name possible for a rivalry game, but do you have ideas you want to vote on because we just know we can't call it this anymore."

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Not a bad duo for the CW, Huard is one of the much better analysts out there.
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Pez also brought up a great point about the Marketing failure of this attempt because they didn't have something in line to replace it, more of a "this is OBVIOUSLY the most racist abhorrent name possible for a rivalry game, but do you have ideas you want to vote on because we just know we can't call it this anymore."
Credit to you for making this point much better than I did. And to add to what you've said, a key component of crisis management within corporate communications is "shortening the news cycle." When negative news coverage is iminent, the goal is to get it out of the news as quickly as possible (hence Friday night news dumps).

Not having a replacement ready to go (or even a formal process and timeline for a replacement) allowed this to fester and become a lingering annoyance to the fanbase. It's actually kind of remarkable that the bright minds at UofO and Nike allowed this to happen.

It's no secret that I'm liberal-minded. And while I'm definitely not a wokey-woke, I am often sympathetic with the thinking behind "woke" actions. I never opposed changing the name of the Civil War.

But sometimes it's ok to step back and realize that some things went too far and that not everything should be cancelled simply because some people might have been offended. Also, in cases like this, it should also be ok for folks who might be offended to come to terms with why they shouldn't be. There are levels to everything in life. If we're grading controversial sports terms on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being "yes, change it yesterday," I'd give the name "Washington Redskins" a 10 and the "Civil War" a solid 2. I think we should be able to live with a 2.
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This will be a civil war to remember!! Heisman trophy, playoffs, conference championship all on the line. Two top 15 teams and the last Pac-12 regular season game for both teams.

It's all the hype you want for this type of rivalry.

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