Carlyle Garrick

[vagusnerve]

Btw jhop said we'd likely take 5-7 LBs this class. So we still have plenty of room for Gibson and Wallace.

yeah i recalled something like this.

i don't mind the project guys at all, there's a lot of unrated guys that end up pretty good contributers.

but i'd hate to not have any spots open for the top players.

look at the stars on our current team, they're all 4* guys

hope wallace commits

[hines]

but i'd hate to not have any spots open for the top players.

sorry, but you have no idea who the "top players" are and neither do I. you and i are the same thing. nothing but message board coaches but i stopped the "message board recruiting" a long time ago. you'll learn too. it takes some time. if the coaches offer a player than it's good enough for me

[ducksvb6]

Air Force offer, no grade or discipline issues here. The coach must see amazing potential to offer follow the injuries and lack of playing time.

[UOducksTK1]

but i'd hate to not have any spots open for the top players.

sorry, but you have no idea who the "top players" are and neither do I. you and i are the same thing. nothing but message board coaches but i stopped the "message board recruiting" a long time ago. you'll learn too. it takes some time. if the coaches offer a player than it's good enough for me

This is partially true. With a guy like Garrick, I agree 100%. The reason he wasn't recruited much was because of injuries. But with guys like Wilson and Prater, I believe these guys are more of projects. The coaches land them to redshirt them and like their upside.

Obviously we are just fans, and the coaches ultimately know what they're doing. But impressive highlights, high rankings, and a strong offer list is a pretty strong indication of a GREAT player. Certainly though, there are a good amount of players who go under the radar that have a very successful college career.

[dthomas=ddixon]

I like this pick up. It looks like hes a likely candidate to Greyshirt so he won't count against this years class. And there's a chance he ends up being a great player like TJ & we didn't have to go through a major recruiting battle to get him because of his injuries. Offer then commitment on the spot. Not bad.

[vagusnerve]

but i'd hate to not have any spots open for the top players.

sorry, but you have no idea who the "top players" are and neither do I. you and i are the same thing. nothing but message board coaches but i stopped the "message board recruiting" a long time ago. you'll learn too. it takes some time. if the coaches offer a player than it's good enough for me

chill dude. it goes without saying that i don't have a clue

anyway, it's not as if talent evaluators are completely clueless. guys like lamichael and darron and kenjon were all highly rated coming out of HS. still, there are always "diamonds in the rough" guys that end up doing well, even sometimes taking it to the next level in the nfl.

don't kill my buzz just cause i'm on some fansite

[dthomas=ddixon]

chill dude. it goes without saying that i don't have a clue

anyway, it's not as if talent evaluators are completely clueless. guys like lamichael and darron and kenjon were all highly rated coming out of HS. still, there are always "diamonds in the rough" guys that end up doing well, even sometimes taking it to the next level in the nfl.

don't kill my buzz just cause i'm on some fansite

Barner was a 3* star with his only ofers coming from us ASu & UTEP. He was not highly rated. LaMike was a 3* on Scout.

And as far as LBs go, look at our starters. Pasinger - 2*, Kaddu - 2*, Matthews - 3*.

[Duck07]

Well, calling a guy a project is a misnomer as the vast majority of guys are all projects. Haloti and Snoop were about the only guys I can think of who weren't projects. You don't recruit these players for what they can do this moment, but what they can do in a couple of years after they have matured. One of the biggest differences between a 5* and a 2* has little to do with talent and more do with how a player has developed/matured physically.

A great example of this is James Wilder JR, dude is a freak physically and while imo he could be a stud OLB, when it comes to actual on field results, in 2 years time Garrick could have packed on 30 pounds of lean muscle and turn into Derrick Brooks. This is why it comes down to other things such as mental make-up, personality and self-motivation.

[vagusnerve]

Barner was a 3* star with his only ofers coming from us ASu & UTEP. He was not highly rated. LaMike was a 3* on Scout.

And as far as LBs go, look at our starters. Pasinger - 2*, Kaddu - 2*, Matthews - 3*.

The only ratings i ever check are the ESPN ratings, they seem to be the most accurate. Plus, I don't like the format on Scout or Rivals, it looks like they haven't updated their web pages since 1996

On ESPN, Kenjon Barner was a 79, meaning he was rated as really, really, really good.

LaMichael and Darron were both 80s, which is an elite rating.

Mathews was a 78. True on Kaddu, he was unrated... and like I said, you always find good contributors from within the unrated kids. But let's face it, our team stars were all highly rated guys.

A rating in the high seventies means the player has a great chance of being a standout starter or possibly a star.