LAKERS / SPURS

[offtheheezy]

This is some high quality entertainment. Love the Lakers

[the goat]

Look I understand keeping the team in good shape for a future owner, but I bet nobody would have a problem if some newbie took over the team and one of you got Lane for "cheap"

[offtheheezy]

Look I understand keeping the team in good shape for a future owner, but I bet nobody would have a problem if some newbie took over the team and one of you got Lane for "cheap"

It really depends on whether Ownage would veto it if this trade went down between someone and a newbie owner. But since he was the one who accepted the trade, it could just be one of those lopsided trades that end up going through despite the outcry

[Craig]

Look I understand keeping the team in good shape for a future owner, but I bet nobody would have a problem if some newbie took over the team and one of you got Lane for "cheap"

I mean the person getting Lane wouldn't have a problem obviously but everyone else would lol

[bellsduck]

Look.
The lesson here for everyone going forward is, if you are ever in negotiation with Goat, just take his best offer and don't make the move until he adds in 2 extra future 1sts.

[Oregon Ownage]

So this is what I have gathered so far:

I overvalue Zo

I overvalue Dawkins (calling him mediocre/average is criminal, honestly removing those GM's who said this from their teams is the only recourse )

I undervalue Lane

I could have fought for a pick or two


I appreciate the feedback as generally I like to think I have a sense of players values throughout the league so if this is a blind spot for me then its good to know that others are speaking up. I also acknowledge since the Spurs are league owned, these trades are under tighter watch as opposed if I was making this deal for my team. Comparing other deals in the past (with league owned teams) is not fair as these things are not apples to apples as situations are much different.

I still feel the Spurs are a better team after this deal (will eat crow if I am wrong, mark it) and that I should have countered with another proposal that included a pick or two to extract more from this trade, that's on me.

[The Bean Regime]

I will add to the tally of Dawkins being an average starter. At best, slightly above.

[Oregon Ownage]

Spurs cut Jessie Samake to make room

Done

[Craig]

Just formally abolish the ability to veto trades The comparison of deals that get veto'd to the ones that don't is insane lol.

[Oregon Ownage]

I will add to the tally of Dawkins being an average starter. At best, slightly above.

If Dawkins is average, then the league would be crawling with top end PG's which is not the case.

Is he elite, no. Is he average, no. He is in that space between good and very good which makes a difference on how teams perform

[Boom]

Just formally abolish the ability to veto trades The comparison of deals that get veto'd to the ones that don't is insane lol.

very few trades gets Veto'd

[offtheheezy]

Don’t care about the trade but Dawkins’ low FT barely making it to double digit points in 40MPG is definitely barely above average

Horrible rebounder too

[Oregon Ownage]

Don’t care about the trade but Dawkins’ low FT barely making it to double digit points in 40MPG is definitely barely above average

Horrible rebounder too

Didnt know his role was to score and rebound

[The Bean Regime]

I will add to the tally of Dawkins being an average starter. At best, slightly above.

If Dawkins is average, then the league would be crawling with top end PG's which is not the case.

Is he elite, no. Is he average, no. He is in that space between good and very good which makes a difference on how teams perform

Magic, Mitchell Jordan, Lever, Kevin Johnson, Kenny Smith, Brogan, Penny, Mookie, Hardaway, Abdul-Rauf, Payton are all undoubtedly better. That already puts him at #12.

Then I consider Derek Harper, Eric Murdock, Leon Wood, Pooh Richardson (eh, bit of a reach), and Kenny Anderson as around his talent level at worst. Then you could throw in Terrell Brandon as well as potentially there.

AVERAGE

[Craig]

Just formally abolish the ability to veto trades The comparison of deals that get veto'd to the ones that don't is insane lol.

very few trades gets Veto'd

And the ones that do are significantly less lopsided than stuff like this that goes through lol