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Re: Pryor suspended.....

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:13 pm
by duckgrad99
I don't care if this goes on a lot, these players got what they deserve. You know the rules, it shouldn't be difficult to follow them.

Re: Pryor suspended.....

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:23 pm
by Boom
duckgrad99 wrote:I don't care if this goes on a lot, these players got what they deserve. You know the rules, it shouldn't be difficult to follow them.
So do you think it's OK for your employer to dictate what you can and cannot sell to someone else?

Re: Pryor suspended.....

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:24 pm
by Duck07
More than anything else, its the fact that these players are eligible for the Sugar Bowl.

Re: Pryor suspended.....

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:27 pm
by bellsduck
Boom wrote:
duckgrad99 wrote:I don't care if this goes on a lot, these players got what they deserve. You know the rules, it shouldn't be difficult to follow them.
So do you think it's OK for your employer to dictate what you can and cannot sell to someone else?
Sure. And if you don't like the rules set by your employer, you don't have to work there. Find somewhere else to work.
But, an easy solution might be to not give these players their rings, jerseys, etc. until after they graduate. Hmmm....why didn't the NCAA else think of that.

Re: Pryor suspended.....

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:31 pm
by wheaton4prez
Boom wrote:
duckgrad99 wrote:I don't care if this goes on a lot, these players got what they deserve. You know the rules, it shouldn't be difficult to follow them.
So do you think it's OK for your employer to dictate what you can and cannot sell to someone else?
The NCAA isn't the players employer. They just over-see amateur college athletics. If a player is getting paid, by definition, they are no longer an amateur athlete.

In this case, I think they have to see what the players did as a violation of amateur status. Otherwise, players could get huge payments from boosters by claiming that they're just selling a jersey to somebody for $100k.

Re: Pryor suspended.....

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:31 pm
by duckgrad99
Duck07 wrote:More than anything else, its the fact that these players are eligible for the Sugar Bowl.

Agreed.

Re: Pryor suspended.....

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:32 pm
by Boom
bellsduck wrote:
Boom wrote:
duckgrad99 wrote:I don't care if this goes on a lot, these players got what they deserve. You know the rules, it shouldn't be difficult to follow them.
So do you think it's OK for your employer to dictate what you can and cannot sell to someone else?
Sure. And if you don't like the rules set by your employer, you don't have to work there. Find somewhere else to work.
But, an easy solution might be to not give these players their rings, jerseys, etc. until after they graduate. Hmmm....why didn't the NCAA else think of that.
or you could sue them......

Employers can't get away with that

Re: Pryor suspended.....

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:33 pm
by Duck07
bellsduck wrote:
Boom wrote:
duckgrad99 wrote:I don't care if this goes on a lot, these players got what they deserve. You know the rules, it shouldn't be difficult to follow them.
So do you think it's OK for your employer to dictate what you can and cannot sell to someone else?
Sure. And if you don't like the rules set by your employer, you don't have to work there. Find somewhere else to work.
But, an easy solution might be to not give these players their rings, jerseys, etc. until after they graduate. Hmmm....why didn't the NCAA else think of that.
That is stupid.

Re: Pryor suspended.....

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:34 pm
by Boom
wheaton4prez wrote:
Boom wrote:
duckgrad99 wrote:I don't care if this goes on a lot, these players got what they deserve. You know the rules, it shouldn't be difficult to follow them.
So do you think it's OK for your employer to dictate what you can and cannot sell to someone else?
The NCAA isn't the players employer. They just over-see amateur college athletics.

In this case, I think they have to see what the players did as a violation of amateur status. Otherwise, players could get huge payments from boosters by claiming that they're just selling a jersey to somebody for $100k.
sure...

Re: Pryor suspended.....

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:35 pm
by Duck07
Is every school now going to start locking up every players cleats after each game and practice now too? All the NCAA can do is create more micro-management, further obfuscating just whatever the hell is in the ncaa rulebook.

Re: Pryor suspended.....

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:36 pm
by wheaton4prez
Boom wrote:
wheaton4prez wrote:
Boom wrote:
duckgrad99 wrote:I don't care if this goes on a lot, these players got what they deserve. You know the rules, it shouldn't be difficult to follow them.
So do you think it's OK for your employer to dictate what you can and cannot sell to someone else?
The NCAA isn't the players employer. They just over-see amateur college athletics.

In this case, I think they have to see what the players did as a violation of amateur status. Otherwise, players could get huge payments from boosters by claiming that they're just selling a jersey to somebody for $100k.
sure...
In other words, you think that the NCAA is the players employer?

Re: Pryor suspended.....

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:46 pm
by bellsduck
Duck07 wrote:
bellsduck wrote:
Boom wrote:
duckgrad99 wrote:I don't care if this goes on a lot, these players got what they deserve. You know the rules, it shouldn't be difficult to follow them.
So do you think it's OK for your employer to dictate what you can and cannot sell to someone else?
Sure. And if you don't like the rules set by your employer, you don't have to work there. Find somewhere else to work.
But, an easy solution might be to not give these players their rings, jerseys, etc. until after they graduate. Hmmm....why didn't the NCAA else think of that.
That is stupid.
Insightful comment.
Help me see why is that stupid? Do the players need the bling to walk around campus and make them more effective students? It would alleviate the issue of selling items while still student/athletes. The players would still have their trophies and property years down the road, which they might actually like.

Re: Pryor suspended.....

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:48 pm
by RanDux
Duck07 wrote:
Bigducker wrote:
woundedknees wrote:No Heisman campaign?

TP goes pro ASAP!
Yep... He's gone. Why would he stick around with nothing to play for.
To improve his draft stock, which is why he went to OSU in the first place; play in a pro style offense. I don't see a whole lot of teams jumping on TP with Luck and Newton seemingly both first round locks. Mallett and Locker are both better than TP (Yea, yea, let me hear it)

If he comes out next year its Matt Barkely, Nick Foles and probably Kellen Moore that he's positioning against. With next season looking like rookie contracts will go down significantly, it will be even more important to grade out high and that certainly won't be the case this year.
Is Newton going pro? Not surprised, but I hadn't heard that.

Re: Pryor suspended.....

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:54 pm
by thegb2001
Duck07 wrote:More than anything else, its the fact that these players are eligible for the Sugar Bowl.
agreed 100 percent. just continues to show how much the ncaa just cares about money. couldnt possibly suspend them for a bcs game. because why, they needed ratings. the worst excuse i have ever heard, they didnt "receive adequate rules education during the time period the violations occurred" athletes know exactly what they can and cant do. so if they didnt know at all why are they even suspended next year for 5 games?

Re: Pryor suspended.....

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:03 pm
by buckmarkduck
On ESPN they said his grade won't be very high in the draft as a Qb, but if grades as a pure athlete he could be in the top 3-4 rounds.