Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment

[RanDux]

Have we talked about the possibility of Oregon going independent, like Notre Dame? Could it work? What would be the pros and cons?

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[greenyellow]

Have we talked about the possibility of Oregon going independent, like Notre Dame? Could it work? What would be the pros and cons?

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Likely wouldn't work as Oregon doesn't have a big enough following or history to be financially sustainable and it'd be hard to schedule games late during most conferences' league schedules.

[greenyellow]

I don't buy this one bit.

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[squintsdd]

I don't buy this one bit.

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I said before and I'll continue to say it until final word comes out. I don't think there will be anymore major changes for another year or two. The conference might add a couple of smaller schools, but I don't think any more schools will be leaving at the moment

[Phalanx]

I don't buy this one bit.

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Why not? If they got even close to the same money as a move to the Big 12, they might as well stay together. After watching the Big 12 go through this same process a few years back and end up mostly staying together, I don't underestimate the power of traditional regional ties. These conferences formed in the first place for some pretty good reasons, especially out West.

[Everythingsducky]

I don't buy this one bit.

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Why not? If they got even close to the same money as a move to the Big 12, they might as well stay together. After watching the Big 12 go through this same process a few years back and end up mostly staying together, I don't underestimate the power of traditional regional ties. These conferences formed in the first place for some pretty good reasons, especially out West.

How does the PAC (10, 12?) even come close to the money line, with the LA schools out of the picture? It’s a non-starter. The Big 12 is the same, losing OU and TX. Might as well negotiate as a mid-level. Phil has to help pull a rabbit out of his hat.

[Phalanx]

I don't buy this one bit.

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Why not? If they got even close to the same money as a move to the Big 12, they might as well stay together. After watching the Big 12 go through this same process a few years back and end up mostly staying together, I don't underestimate the power of traditional regional ties. These conferences formed in the first place for some pretty good reasons, especially out West.

How does the PAC (10, 12?) even come close to the money line, with the LA schools out of the picture? It’s a non-starter. The Big 12 is the same, losing OU and TX. Might as well negotiate as a mid-level. Phil has to help pull a rabbit out of his hat.

Read what I wrote again: I'm not comparing anything but the option to join the Big 12 or stay put, and I'm saying that if the money is even close for the schools that have the option to defect (which isn't everyone), why would they not just stay put? I think they will choose to stay unless the money just bowls them over. The problem for the Pac 12 is that it only takes wooing a few schools away before the conference has to be scrapped. What they really need besides a TV deal is to add a couple of schools A.S.A.P. I know they need public research universities as well as good football teams, but maybe a couple of the schools in the UC system want to grow their athletics? UCSD seems like a good candidate. I'd love to know what schools are being talked to, if any.

[Duck07]

If the New Pac sticks and adds 2 schools its probably going to be San Diego State and UNLV but stealing a Texas school away isn't a bad notion either.

Personally I think that getting Gonzaga in for Basketball would be a prudent move and enhance anything we try to do with the ACC.

Ultimately though a New Pac is going to have to protect its top teams as the season goes on as well as screw over the LA schools. USC opens Conference play in Corvallis and I really hope the Beaver OL doesn't get called for a single hold while the trojan DBs keep getting flagged repeatedly. Having SC go 6-6 and the Bruins 4-8 would be a good start.

[DuckzRule]

Looks like we are stuck here in the Pac-12 for a longer while, because Iowa's AD said that Big 10 expansion for now is unlikely.

Well at least we will be the Clemson of the Pac-12 now that USC is gone (in two years).

[SuperDuck]

Actually, I'm starting not to worry as much now that I'm over the initial shock of the L.A. schools leaving. Yes, there are a large contingent of USC/UCLA fans in that area, but there are here in the Phoenix area, too, as well as Oregon fans and other fans of Pac-12 schools.

The conference still has significant TV markets of value.

#5 Phoenix
#8 San Diego
#10 San Jose
#17 San Francisco
#18 Seattle
#19 Denver
#26 Portland
#34 Tucson
#36 Mesa, AZ
#76 Chandler, AZ
#80 Gilbert, AZ
#92 Scottsdale, AZ
#96 Spokane, WA
#103 Tacoma, WA
#120 Salt Lake City

I could have listed many more California cities that have a good mix of Pac-12 fans.

My point is that although there will be a larger portion of fans of the L.A. schools watching their teams on Saturday's, that doesn't mean we'll lose the L.A. market overnight. Wherever they decide to play sports is up to them, but this is STILL Pac-12 country!!!

Again, I think that adding San Diego State is a no-brainer due to them having winning programs in both football and basketball, as well as shoring up the San Diego market. Add either SMU or TCU and then we'd also add the massive Dallas/Fort Worth market.

The Pac-12 isn't dead, this is just a bump in the road.

[DuckzRule]

Actually, I'm starting not to worry as much now that I'm over the initial shock of the L.A. schools leaving. Yes, there are a large contingent of USC/UCLA fans in that area, but there are here in the Phoenix area, too, as well as Oregon fans and other fans of Pac-12 schools.

The conference still has significant TV markets of value.

#5 Phoenix
#8 San Diego
#10 San Jose
#17 San Francisco
#18 Seattle
#19 Denver
#26 Portland
#34 Tucson
#36 Mesa, AZ
#76 Chandler, AZ
#80 Gilbert, AZ
#92 Scottsdale, AZ
#96 Spokane, WA
#103 Tacoma, WA
#120 Salt Lake City

I could have listed many more California cities that have a good mix of Pac-12 fans.

My point is that although there will be a larger portion of fans of the L.A. schools watching their teams on Saturday's, that doesn't mean we'll lose the L.A. market overnight. Wherever they decide to play sports is up to them, but this is STILL Pac-12 country!!!

Again, I think that adding San Diego State is a no-brainer due to them having winning programs in both football and basketball, as well as shoring up the San Diego market. Add either SMU or TCU and then we'd also add the massive Dallas/Fort Worth market.

The Pac-12 isn't dead, this is just a bump in the road.

Yeah, I'm not as crazy as wanting the Ducks to move to a new conference as much as the Thursday when the news broke.

Plus we could actually benefit from this since USC could have been a legit threat to prevent us from going to the playoff, now we could dominate the Pac-12 a-la Clemson and maybe win some natties (as long as we stay and the conference survives)

[woundedknees]

Just pull out your favorite 12 PAC and watch the show...

[StevensTechU]

Frankly, it's not a matter of what conference we'd like to see the Ducks in. The money is the only thing that's relevant. If Oregon stays in the Pac-12(10), they're going to fall even further behind the B1G and Southeastern Conference schools, which is already a gap of tens of millions of dollars per year.

[OregonDucks]

Frankly, it's not a matter of what conference we'd like to see the Ducks in. The money is the only thing that's relevant. If Oregon stays in the Pac-12(10), they're going to fall even further behind the B1G and Southeastern Conference schools, which is already a gap of tens of millions of dollars per year.

While the television revenue gap sucks, what would it fund?

• Facilities? - Oregon already has the nicest facilities in the country thanks to Phil Knight and our generous boosters.
• Recruiting/NIL? - Schools aren’t permitted to contribute to NIL deals. Our boosters and friends of the program could decide to spend even more on NILs, given what is going down.
• Other Sports? - Yes, this is a legitimate use. It sucks but Oregon and other schools may be forced to drop unprofitable sports.
• Coach’s Salaries? - Yes. Oregon may need boosters to step up to close the gap so that coaches’ compensation are competitive.
• Anything else?

Overall, I’m most concerned with the perception of the PAC-10 without the LA schools (not that they have done jack sh*t for the conference in years) and its impact on the Ducks post season prospects.

[StevensTechU]

Really buried the importance of coaching salaries there. "Oregon may need boosters to step up" as if that's an avenue that hasn't been explored and exploited already.

It funds the head football coach. It funds the assistance coaches. The support staff. The GAs. It funds the recruiting budget. It funds the basketball coach. The softball coach. The baseball coach. All of their respective recruiting budgets. It also funds the compliance office. The academic services for athletes. The athletic director, who will steer nearly every major decision in the future.

It's probably also worth mentioning - Phil Knight is an old, old man, who won't live forever.