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StevensTechU wrote:Frankly, it's not a matter of what conference we'd like to see the Ducks in. The money is the only thing that's relevant. If Oregon stays in the Pac-12(10), they're going to fall even further behind the B1G and Southeastern Conference schools, which is already a gap of tens of millions of dollars per year.
100%. It's all about the money at this point and you will not be competitive if you have $10-20 mill less than the team you're competing with. That's common sense.

I said it before but for the sake of example: let's say we beat Florida 4/5 times in the next decade. They could offer our HC a $5+MM raise and just take our staff. Now do this over and over again and the Big10 and SEC have the best coaches/players while the rest of the country is left competing for scraps and playing in Sun Bowls.
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StevensTechU wrote:It's probably also worth mentioning - Phil Knight is an old, old man, who won't live forever.
In the last ~6 weeks he's openly made an offer for the Trail Blazers and has had a friend in Larry Miller go get an article published helping smear Jody Allen/Vulcan while at the same time seeing this massive change in the landscape of CFP.

Indications seem to be that he's setting his cards in motion for how he wants his legacy to play out when he's gone. Certainly seeing the Paul Allen Trust issues is probably in his mind and we shouldn't forget that he's also a Stanford Grad and has put a lot of $ there as well.
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StevensTechU wrote:Frankly, it's not a matter of what conference we'd like to see the Ducks in. The money is the only thing that's relevant. If Oregon stays in the Pac-12(10), they're going to fall even further behind the B1G and Southeastern Conference schools, which is already a gap of tens of millions of dollars per year.
Yeah, if we can leave, we probably should. It still feels like we'd be outside looking in if we ended up the the Big-12, though. Unless the two conferences did at least partially merge with UA, ASU, Colorado, Oregon, Stanford, Utah and UW joining.

Do that and then have a Big-12 vs ACC matchup for the championship?

How can we possibly close that money gap?

Both Phil Knight and Pat Kilkenny are super successful businessmen. You'd think they could come up with something?

One thought I just had is that moving to the Big-12 would give all teams who left much more national exposure. The Big-12 teams almost all play in Central time, so half of the teams would be playing in that time zone every week. For those that aren't, the fans of the existing Big-12 teams will surely stay awake to watch their team if they're on the road in Pacific Time.

Also, that would also give us more late night exposure on the east coast because of the one hour time difference between Eastern and Central Times.

There may be ways to pull this off. Create and sell a Big-12 network (that would include Pac-12 schools) and make it available as part of a cable package.

In addition, make a point of scheduling several games per year from the new Big-12 with Big-10, SEC and ACC schools.

That said, by increasing the level of competition between all conference schools, you'd almost leave the NCAA, or whoever's running the show, no choice but to expand the playoff to at least 8-12 teams.

THAT would bring in a large amount of revenue!

Just thinking out loud.
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StevensTechU wrote:Really buried the importance of coaching salaries there. "Oregon may need boosters to step up" as if that's an avenue that hasn't been explored and exploited already.

It funds the head football coach. It funds the assistance coaches. The support staff. The GAs. It funds the recruiting budget. It funds the basketball coach. The softball coach. The baseball coach. All of their respective recruiting budgets. It also funds the compliance office. The academic services for athletes. The athletic director, who will steer nearly every major decision in the future.

My point is that they are all related, not mutually exclusive.

Oregon already has top notch facilities, thanks to Phil Knight and our other boosters’ generosity, so we do not need to invest much in this area over the next several years. If Oregon (and other schools) drop unprofitable sports (not ideal but it is the new reality), then we’ll be able to close the gap some and Oregon will need to be creative with how we bring in additional income. We’ll likely need people to step up to fund coaches’ salaries but they are already high and there is a upper limit to how high they go.

Oregon has not been among the highest paying schools. Would Oregon pony up to attract or retain one of the top coaches or would they continue to look for the next up and comer? I hope that Dan Lanning is extremely successful at Oregon so we’ll find out!
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At this rate staying in the Pac-12 is the most likely thing to happen, joining another conference that isn't the Big 12 seems pretty unlikely
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Damn, it seems that Phil Knight is now being desperate to move the Ducks to another place.

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cf ... onferences
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DuckzRule wrote:Damn, it seems that Phil Knight is now being desperate to move the Ducks to another place.

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cf ... onferences
Not sure that's what you would call a reliable source. Nobody's name on the hit piece either.
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This is one of those situations where every wannabe media member is surching for any rumor to use as click bait when in reality very little of what is being reported is true. Just throwing click bait out without any source. It just needs to work itself out and all we can do is sit back and wait. The Ducks will be playing football this season…….. you heard it here first!
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DuckzRule wrote:Damn, it seems that Phil Knight is now being desperate to move the Ducks to another place.

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cf ... onferences
Most everyone who read that article, including non Oregon fans called it click bait. A friendly reminder, not everything on the internet is true.
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StevensTechU wrote:Really buried the importance of coaching salaries there. "Oregon may need boosters to step up" as if that's an avenue that hasn't been explored and exploited already.

It funds the head football coach. It funds the assistance coaches. The support staff. The GAs. It funds the recruiting budget. It funds the basketball coach. The softball coach. The baseball coach. All of their respective recruiting budgets. It also funds the compliance office. The academic services for athletes. The athletic director, who will steer nearly every major decision in the future.

My point is that they are all related, not mutually exclusive.

Oregon already has top notch facilities, thanks to Phil Knight and our other boosters’ generosity, so we do not need to invest much in this area over the next several years. If Oregon (and other schools) drop unprofitable sports (not ideal but it is the new reality), then we’ll be able to close the gap some and Oregon will need to be creative with how we bring in additional income. We’ll likely need people to step up to fund coaches’ salaries but they are already high and there is a upper limit to how high they go.

Oregon has not been among the highest paying schools. Would Oregon pony up to attract or retain one of the top coaches or would they continue to look for the next up and comer? I hope that Dan Lanning is extremely successful at Oregon so we’ll find out!
When you're behind in revenue by $15 million per year, that adds up quickly. Even PK can't make up a $150MM gap over a decade. Programs are going to be left in the dust fast. If you don't continue investing in your facilities, they will eventually become obsolete. You really think Alabama/Clemson/USC haven't realized that having nice facilities attracts top talent? And you already note that Oregon doesn't pay top dollar for coaches, yet you are ok with having less funds to start with for the coaching pool? The entire point of multiple posts on this thread is that even if someone like Lanning is successful, we won't be able to compete financially to retain. That is the point, not the question.
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nogerO wrote:
DuckzRule wrote:Damn, it seems that Phil Knight is now being desperate to move the Ducks to another place.

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cf ... onferences
Not sure that's what you would call a reliable source. Nobody's name on the hit piece either.
I'm so sorry for believing it was true...
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nogerO wrote:
DuckzRule wrote:Damn, it seems that Phil Knight is now being desperate to move the Ducks to another place.

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cf ... onferences
Not sure that's what you would call a reliable source. Nobody's name on the hit piece either.
Ultimately its this article from Dennis Dodd that they use to speculate things we were doing over the 4th of July weekend.

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DuckzRule wrote:
nogerO wrote:
DuckzRule wrote:Damn, it seems that Phil Knight is now being desperate to move the Ducks to another place.

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cf ... onferences
Not sure that's what you would call a reliable source. Nobody's name on the hit piece either.
I'm so sorry for believing it was true...
Ha DuckzRule, I appreciate how active you are in this thread. But for your own health, it might be good to get outside and not read anything related to conference re-alignments.

And although things may get resolved in the next few weeks, it may yet take years years. So being patient and doing other things with your life sounds like a wise choice to me.

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Duck07 wrote:Here's a real NIL game-changer for a stinky situation we're in

https://www.humanmicrobes.org/donors
Crazy to think the NCAA wouldn’t even allow that before NIL deals, “we own you, even your poo!” No wonder the NCAA is becoming a thing of the past.
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