Oregon @ Cal (Thursday)

[UOducksTK1]

Lots of negative posts on this, I'm kinda surprised. Honestly, with the rag tag team we have that was an awesome performance from them. Yes, that ended our chances of NCAA life, but I didn't think we had any anyway before this game. That being said, I'm so excited about this team moving forward. We're returning a lot of talent, and an NIT birth is awesome considering last year we had to pay our way into a postseason. I had no hope going into the year, but DA and these players have given me hope for the future. As long as we don't get any more Jabari's our basketball team has a bright future (knock on wood)

I kind of have the opposite opinion.

Emory/Woods/Singler will make a solid frontcourt But I'm not sure how I feel about a Loyd/Artis/Kingma backcourt next season.

I had very low expectations for this season... At the start of the year I had no idea who Devoe Joseph was or how good he was going to be. Now I would rank him up with Fred Jones as one of the best SG's I've seen play for the Ducks. Currently I don't see a replacement for Joseph, Sim, & Nared on the roster. Kuemper could probably replace Jacobs minutes just fine... But I think Altman is going to have to score another round of JC/transfer type players to be competitive again next year.


I still think this this team has a solid shot at winning the Pac12 tourney though.

I know how I feel about him, however I agree Loyd is not starter material, and turns it over too much for a PG. And while I LOVE Kingma, he still needs one more year imo before he can be a consistent contributor. Don't want to drop him in like we did with Sim and let him struggle for 3 years.

[oregontrack]

I kind of have the opposite opinion.

Emory/Woods/Singler will make a solid frontcourt But I'm not sure how I feel about a Loyd/Artis/Kingma backcourt next season.

I had very low expectations for this season... At the start of the year I had no idea who Devoe Joseph was or how good he was going to be. Now I would rank him up with Fred Jones as one of the best SG's I've seen play for the Ducks. Currently I don't see a replacement for Joseph, Sim, & Nared on the roster. Kuemper could probably replace Jacobs minutes just fine... But I think Altman is going to have to score another round of JC/transfer type players to be competitive again next year.


I still think this this team has a solid shot at winning the Pac12 tourney though.

i pretty much agree with all of this. our backcourt is going to be crazy young/unproven next year. artis is going to have to be spectacular from day one, and altman is going to have to pull a 2-guard coup in the late signing period. i hardly think nared is irreplaceable, but at this point in time we don't have anyone close to replacing joseph.

then again, at this point last year, no one knew how we'd replace catron, joseph was largely an unknown, and no one had ever heard of olu ashaolu, tony woods, and carlos emory. so who knows.

[oregontrack]

I know how I feel about him, however I agree Loyd is not starter material, and turns it over too much for a PG. And while I LOVE Kingma, he still needs one more year imo before he can be a consistent contributor. Don't want to drop him in like we did with Sim and let him struggle for 3 years.

i think kingma will be fine next year. i don't think we recruited him to ever be a starter, or a significant contributor. i think he was a designated role player from the moment he signed. he just screams "james davis" to me (who, yes, did start a bit in his career, but was never really a 'go-to' guy). james davis was a one-trick pony but he really struggled with his shot his freshman year, and when a one-tricky pony can't do his one trick he's pretty much a waste of space. davis was a spectacular shooter his final three years. i see no reason why kingma can't duplicate that trajectory.

[thomas time]

If Kingma is as good as James Davis was I will be really pleased, Davis was one of my favorite underrated ducks the last ten years. Those turnovers by E.J. looked like something a guy who hadn't played much would've done, he was just making passes that had little chance of completing successfully.

[Boom]

I know how I feel about him, however I agree Loyd is not starter material, and turns it over too much for a PG. And while I LOVE Kingma, he still needs one more year imo before he can be a consistent contributor. Don't want to drop him in like we did with Sim and let him struggle for 3 years.

i think kingma will be fine next year. i don't think we recruited him to ever be a starter, or a significant contributor. i think he was a designated role player from the moment he signed. he just screams "james davis" to me (who, yes, did start a bit in his career, but was never really a 'go-to' guy). james davis was a one-trick pony but he really struggled with his shot his freshman year, and when a one-tricky pony can't do his one trick he's pretty much a waste of space. davis was a spectacular shooter his final three years. i see no reason why kingma can't duplicate that trajectory.

It's hard for me to envision Kingma playing 25 minutes per game.... but I agree with you that he could fill a similar role. Perhaps it would help if he was playing with a few future lottery picks.

[ducksrock]

Lots of negative posts on this, I'm kinda surprised. Honestly, with the rag tag team we have that was an awesome performance from them. Yes, that ended our chances of NCAA life, but I didn't think we had any anyway before this game. That being said, I'm so excited about this team moving forward. We're returning a lot of talent, and an NIT birth is awesome considering last year we had to pay our way into a postseason. I had no hope going into the year, but DA and these players have given me hope for the future. As long as we don't get any more Jabari's our basketball team has a bright future (knock on wood)

I kind of have the opposite opinion.

Emory/Woods/Singler will make a solid frontcourt But I'm not sure how I feel about a Loyd/Artis/Kingma backcourt next season.

I had very low expectations for this season... At the start of the year I had no idea who Devoe Joseph was or how good he was going to be. Now I would rank him up with Fred Jones as one of the best SG's I've seen play for the Ducks. Currently I don't see a replacement for Joseph, Sim, & Nared on the roster. Kuemper could probably replace Jacobs minutes just fine... But I think Altman is going to have to score another round of JC/transfer type players to be competitive again next year.


I still think this this team has a solid shot at winning the Pac12 tourney though.

I know how I feel about him, however I agree Loyd is not starter material, and turns it over too much for a PG. And while I LOVE Kingma, he still needs one more year imo before he can be a consistent contributor. Don't want to drop him in like we did with Sim and let him struggle for 3 years.

I agree...Loyd is not Div 1 PG starter material....But, I am not in a position to criticize much, as I am sure he would kick my ass, one on one.....but then again, I am pretty sure my grandmother could have done that too....so, nevermind....

[oregontrack]

I know how I feel about him, however I agree Loyd is not starter material, and turns it over too much for a PG. And while I LOVE Kingma, he still needs one more year imo before he can be a consistent contributor. Don't want to drop him in like we did with Sim and let him struggle for 3 years.

i think kingma will be fine next year. i don't think we recruited him to ever be a starter, or a significant contributor. i think he was a designated role player from the moment he signed. he just screams "james davis" to me (who, yes, did start a bit in his career, but was never really a 'go-to' guy). james davis was a one-trick pony but he really struggled with his shot his freshman year, and when a one-tricky pony can't do his one trick he's pretty much a waste of space. davis was a spectacular shooter his final three years. i see no reason why kingma can't duplicate that trajectory.

It's hard for me to envision Kingma playing 25 minutes per game.... but I agree with you that he could fill a similar role. Perhaps it would help if he was playing with a few future lottery picks.

ideally he might not best be suited for those kinds of minutes, but neither was davis. davis played 13 minutes a game in '02, and was a nice weapon off the bench. he played a lot more in 2003 and 2004 because, much like what we'll likely go through next season with devoe joseph, we really didn't have a replacement for fred jones nor a backup for rid. andre joseph got himself benched/suspended a couple times, and davis was pressed into extended minutes... and he played some point in those rare occasions rid would sit. he played more than he probably should have in '04 because aaron brooks broke his hand and he had to play the point, and we didn't have a functioning big outside of crosswhite so we went really small a lot. davis always shot the ball well, but he was a horrible liability defensively, kind of like i see kingma's career projecting out. if dotson or a new 2-guard we sign later in the spring fails to pick things up quick enough, kingma might play some pretty crazy minutes simply out of necessity.