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Not worried about Lane. Has yet to prove he' s very good head coach... Oakland, Tenn, SC last year (8-5, 5-4 in P10)...

[Braveheart]

Links?

His comment about, "Uh, I'm too busy to know how many stars my recruits have" (in response to CK's comments about how awesome his recruits are) was pretty snide and backhanded.

I'm too busy atm to dig up a link, but it's not really necessary, anyway.

If you say so boss.

[Sooth]

Links?

His comment about, "Uh, I'm too busy to know how many stars my recruits have" (in response to CK's comments about how awesome his recruits are) was pretty snide and backhanded.

I'm too busy atm to dig up a link, but it's not really necessary, anyway.

If you say so boss.

http://usc.ocregister.com/2010/10/27/la ... hat/52036/

[Braveheart]

Links?

His comment about, "Uh, I'm too busy to know how many stars my recruits have" (in response to CK's comments about how awesome his recruits are) was pretty snide and backhanded.

I'm too busy atm to dig up a link, but it's not really necessary, anyway.

If you say so boss.

http://usc.ocregister.com/2010/10/27/la ... hat/52036/

pretty tame stuff.

[woundedknees]

""Uh, I'm too busy to know how many stars my recruits have"... Translation:

"I'm too busy trying to figure out how to beat the system and keep my job a little longer to count my chickens.

[huckthefuskies]

His comment about, "Uh, I'm too busy to know how many stars my recruits have" (in response to CK's comments about how awesome his recruits are) was pretty snide and backhanded.

I'm too busy atm to dig up a link, but it's not really necessary, anyway.[/quote]

I never did understand why Kelly went there. Dit it mean the Kiffen in his first year was letting his uber recruits not play to their potential, or that Kelly considered himself a far superior coach to get better results out of inferior athletes? I felt it was in bad form and Kiffen responded basically meaning he didn't want to go there. I would say snide and backhanded would come closer to Kelly's response of how little time it took him to count the stars of USC's roster. Some of USC's players were pretty tasteless before that game but I felt Kiffen was pretty professional.

[jay13]

I agree about Kelly being the snide one!I also think that Kiffen isn't as bad as the Tenn. situation.I like the fact that USC geared up a couple of weeks for Oregon and that they talked about it openly"This is our bowl game".That means that the Ducks have finally arrived as one of their many rivals and the other team to beat in the Pac-12!!!!!

[ducksvb6]

jay12, right on! Over the last 20 year we are tie head to head with uSC at 9 wins each. We are the 900 pound gorilla ( Duck ) in their future.

[woundedknees]

IMO, I don't take the comments of either coach as "snide"... Kelly pretty much comes across as usual.

If anything, the way that article from the Oregonian is quoted, the OC Reg is trying to create a tempest in a bottle. Given CK's penchant for dealing with reporters and leading questions, there was probably a fair amount of information that was not reported as to the context of the Oregonian interview, in either paper.

Both coaches were probably thinking to themselves, "What can I say to get rid of this jerk-off, so I can get back to my real job?"

[pezsez1]

I didn't see anything snide about Kelly's comments. Put into greater context, he was talking about USC at a point in the season when they were two last-second plays away from being undefeated and had just drilled Cal (we all remember Cal's D, don't we?) to the tune of 48-14.

EDIT: You also have to remember that at this point in the season, sports pundits were debating whether this would be a legit test for Oregon because they thought USC wasn't as tough as it usually is... and when a sane person looks at that Trojan roster and sees all those sheer physical talents, how can you argue that USC should be considered weak? That provides an additional backdrop to CK's comment.

But Kelly said the Trojans played up to their talent level against Cal.

"In their two-deep, out of their 44 players they have 12 five-star recruits and 26 four-star recruits," Kelly said. "I don't know if there is anybody in the country who has that. I keep hearing USC is down in talent. We have zero five-star recruits in our top 44 and 11 four-star recruits."

Kelly is simply making an apples-to-apples comparison to show the disparity in the caliber of players on each team's roster. I see absolutely nothing snide about that. Plus, Kelly -- although a tad cocky at times -- has never disrespected another coach or team prior to a game, at least not that I've seen in print. The only time I can think of when he took a shot was the ASU game, when he made his "World Cup" comment -- and that was after the game had started, and he actually had a legit reason to be a bit peeved. That's different.

Kiffen, on the other hand, is a guy who has a history of taking cheap shots at other coaches/programs in the interview room. Plain and simple.

Sure, there's a slight chance that Kiffen's comment linked above was completely genuine and benign. I think you're fooling yourself though if you choose to believe that. Kiffen has already shown himself to be "that guy."

Pete Carrol was far more big-time than Lane Kiffen, and if I were a USC fan, I'd be praying that Kiffen leaves or gets fired ASAP.

[Braveheart]

I didn't see anything snide about Kelly's comments. Put into greater context, he was talking about USC at a point in the season when they were two last-second plays away from being undefeated and had just drilled Cal (we all remember Cal's D, don't we?) to the tune of 48-14.

EDIT: You also have to remember that at this point in the season, sports pundits were debating whether this would be a legit test for Oregon because they thought USC wasn't as tough as it usually is... and when a sane person looks at that Trojan roster and sees all those sheer physical talents, how can you argue that USC should be considered weak? That provides an additional backdrop to CK's comment.

But Kelly said the Trojans played up to their talent level against Cal.

"In their two-deep, out of their 44 players they have 12 five-star recruits and 26 four-star recruits," Kelly said. "I don't know if there is anybody in the country who has that. I keep hearing USC is down in talent. We have zero five-star recruits in our top 44 and 11 four-star recruits."

Kelly is simply making an apples-to-apples comparison to show the disparity in the caliber of players on each team's roster. I see absolutely nothing snide about that. Plus, Kelly -- although a tad cocky at times -- has never disrespected another coach or team prior to a game, at least not that I've seen in print. The only time I can think of when he took a shot was the ASU game, when he made his "World Cup" comment -- and that was after the game had started, and he actually had a legit reason to be a bit peeved. That's different.

Kiffen, on the other hand, is a guy who has a history of taking cheap shots at other coaches/programs in the interview room. Plain and simple.

Sure, there's a slight chance that Kiffen's comment linked above was completely genuine and benign. I think you're fooling yourself though if you choose to believe that. Kiffen has already shown himself to be "that guy."

Pete Carrol was far more big-time than Lane Kiffen, and if I were a USC fan, I'd be praying that Kiffen leaves or gets fired ASAP.

Yeah, and USC got smashed by UO with a better team (with no sanctions or schollie limits) the year before. I love PC, he made USC the PAC10, but he's not perfect either. The whole Kiffin thing in Tenn was a show (and it worked). Kiffin learned under Tedford, Monte Kiffin, Monte's friends, Pete Carroll, and Norm Chow. He did what he needed to recruit, and he got results (Bryce Brown, Janzen Jackson, and a grip of studs signed before he could work on his first full class). He got the fanbase riled up (until he left, then they wanted to kill him ), and put them in the spotlight. His whole "s*** talking" persona worked. He doesn't need it now though.

[pezsez1]

Legit, big-time coaches build their reputations by winning games.

Until Kiffin starts winning, he's nothing more than a placeholder coach. Kids aren't going there because they want to play for Kiffin, they're going there because it's USC. The Trojans' recruiting success has way more to do with Pete Carroll than Kiffin, which is kind of strange, but also true. Recruits are going there because they grew up watching Pete Carroll's teams, and they think USC can be that dominant again.

I don't think Kiffin will ever be able to live up to those high expectations. He hasn't shown any evidence that he can to this point.

I really don't hate Kiffin, he was one of the only Pac-10 coaches last season to take his beating from UO like a man, without having his team fake injuries. I just don't think USC will return to being an elite program with him at the helm.

[Braveheart]

Legit, big-time coaches build their reputations by winning games.

Until Kiffin starts winning, he's nothing more than a placeholder coach. Kids aren't going there because they want to play for Kiffin, they're going there because it's USC. The Trojans' recruiting success has way more to do with Pete Carroll than Kiffin, which is kind of strange, but also true. Recruits are going there because they grew up watching Pete Carroll's teams, and they think USC can be that dominant again.

I don't think Kiffin will ever be able to live up to those high expectations. He hasn't shown any evidence that he can to this point.

I really don't hate Kiffin, he was one of the only Pac-10 coaches last season to take his beating from UO like a man, without having his team fake injuries. I just don't think USC will return to being an elite program with him at the helm.

This is all based off of one season with sanctions? I'd give him some time. His side of the ball looked good last season. Kiffin is a good recruiter, it helps that he's at USC which recruits itself, but he's still a better recruiter (out of the head-coaches) than anybody in this conference. He recruited his ass off in Tenn, and he's learned from the best. I can tell we're just gonna agree to disagree, so I'll do that.

[MacDuck]

Braveheart, I enjoy presence here on a Duck board for the most part, but I am curious why do you post here as often as you do? I find it a bit odd.

[Phenom]

Braveheart, I enjoy presence here on a Duck board for the most part, but I am curious why do you post here as often as you do? I find it a bit odd.

It's not uncommon. It happens in all message boards. I for one, am happy he's been respectful.