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Re: Jordan Jefferson Suspect in Bar Fight

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:34 pm
by Fishhead
That they did. As of now, the players interview tomorrow is postponed indefinitely. I'd assume this is so the lawyer repping the players has time to familiarize himself with the case, but who knows what's gonna happen??

Re: Jordan Jefferson Suspect in Bar Fight

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:50 pm
by monster
w/ the information currently out, percentage chance that JJ starts?

50%?

What about the other guys being questioned? Any of them notable?

Josh Johns
Chris Davenport
Jarvis Landry

Re: Jordan Jefferson Suspect in Bar Fight

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:06 pm
by Bud Lee
w/ the information currently out, percentage chance that JJ starts?

50%?
Hard to say....if he is only guilty of breaking curfew he will play...if he is charged I doubt he is even allowed to travel to the Oregon game.
Josh Johns
No big woop
Chris Davenport


Bothers me more than losing JJ
Jarvis Landry
No real loss we have two five star receivers and a couple of others with experience

Re: Jordan Jefferson Suspect in Bar Fight

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:59 pm
by Fishhead
monster wrote:w/ the information currently out, percentage chance that JJ starts?

50%?

What about the other guys being questioned? Any of them notable?

Josh Johns
Chris Davenport
Jarvis Landry

I'd put JJ's chances a bit lower than that. 25%.

Johns is a 3rd team LB. He might have played on ST.

Davenport recently moved to OL from DL. He was a 5* DL when he signed, but he has struggled mightily with many things, such as conditioning, injuries, classroom, and attitude. I wouldn't be alone if I said he was the biggest bust lately, but I still think it's premature to write him off. He will be lucky to make the two deep this season...even without this hanging over his head.

Landry is a bigger loss than any of the previous two. A 5* WR, he's a true freshman that missed the first few days of camp due to a broken bone in his foot. He recovered amazingly fast and made a name for himself quickly. He is very physical for his size, runs amazing routes, and catches anything within reach. He was most definitely on his way to either winning the 3rd spot, or earning a lot of PT in 4 and 5 wide sets as a true freshman. Luckily there is another true freshman that has shocked the coaches with his play in camp, Odell Beckham, Jr. If Landry is involved in this thing, OBJ takes his place.

Re: Jordan Jefferies Suspect in Bar Fight

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:27 pm
by Supreme
lukeyrid13 wrote:Carlos Dunlap was asleep in his car in the middle of the road drunk out of his mind and got suspended for a game by Florida which was to be thier opener against Florida International.....There was a hurricane and the game was changed to Nov and so was Dunlap's suspension...

Also there was the eye gouging where Florida suspended him for a quarter but Spikes then changed his own punishment to a full game after all the backlash
Carlos Dunlap was suspended for the SEC championship game against Alabama. Florida was undefeated prior to that game, and was vying for a spot in the NC game.

I'm not even going to get into the eye gouging stuff.

Re: Jordan Jefferson Suspect in Bar Fight

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:41 pm
by Bud Lee
Davenport recently moved to OL from DL. He was a 5* DL when he signed, but he has struggled mightily with many things, such as conditioning, injuries, classroom, and attitude. I wouldn't be alone if I said he was the biggest bust lately, but I still think it's premature to write him off. He will be lucky to make the two deep this season...even without this hanging over his head.
I could of sworn I heard that he was doing well on the O-Line, thought he improved a lot during the srping.

Re: Jordan Jefferson Suspect in Bar Fight

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:52 pm
by ljginger
Jarvis Landry was an absolute beast in the Under Armour All-American game...runs some of the best routes I've EVER seen at that age!

Re: Jordan Jefferson Suspect in Bar Fight

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:18 am
by karlhungis
I guess Les Miles is going to make his team run. So, it sounds like the problem is solved.

Re: Jordan Jefferson Suspect in Bar Fight

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:29 am
by Bud Lee
karlhungis wrote:I guess Les Miles is going to make his team run. So, it sounds like the problem is solved.
Yeah…that’s all he is going to do :roll:

Let’s wait until we see what the outcome of all of this is before we start the “they never punish anyone in the SEC” sh*t talk.

Re: Jordan Jefferson Suspect in Bar Fight

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:10 am
by uodux1212
If any fan base should know not to jump to conclusions it SHOULD be us.... Being tried through the media w/o all the info is tough. Let's wait and see what shakes out over the next few days...

Re: Jordan Jefferson Suspect in Bar Fight

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:40 am
by karlhungis
Bud Lee wrote:
karlhungis wrote:I guess Les Miles is going to make his team run. So, it sounds like the problem is solved.
Yeah…that’s all he is going to do :roll:

Let’s wait until we see what the outcome of all of this is before we start the “they never punish anyone in the SEC” sh*t talk. I mean.
This was his statement on ESPN this morning. It made me laugh because I would have guessed that he had his team running already. Extra cardio prior to the ducks game should be viewed as a necessity, not a punishment.

And yes, I am waiting to see what happens in this case but somehow I doubt he will suspend 20 players from the team opener for violating team rules.

Re: Jordan Jefferson Suspect in Bar Fight

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:58 am
by Bud Lee
This was his statement on ESPN this morning. It made me laugh because I would have guessed that he had his team running already. Extra cardio prior to the ducks game should be viewed as a necessity, not a punishment.
Ah...I see.
And yes, I am waiting to see what happens in this case but somehow I doubt he will suspend 20 players from the team opener for violating team rules.
Of course not….the only violations for the majority of the players is violating curfew, no school would suspend a player for violating curfew during fall camp…NONE…unless it is an ongoing problem and then maybe.

The four that are at the core of this will be subject to further discipline if it is indeed found necessary. The media has been all OVER the place with this, the only person that has been named from the get go is JJ, other names have been constantly rotated in and out of the conversation.

This morning the official release from their lawyer is that they are gathering the facts and interviewing the witnesses and they have witnesses that tell a completely different story…it will be interesting to say the least what will happen.

Info on the broken curfew issue from another site...
Just as a reminder, it has been tradition for a very long time for the team to break curfew this night. The coaches all knew they were going out. The room check was done with a wink and smile.

Something tells me that this "tradition" has now come to an end. I think it's important that we get the word out about this. The team wasn't disrespecting the coaches by breaking curfew, but they did by their actions later that night.

Re: Jordan Jefferson Suspect in Bar Fight

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:08 am
by Bud Lee
Here is a write up on the matter....
You were expecting a Link Gumbo this morning? The saga of The First Great Shady's Fisticuffs Caper of 2011 has taken some wild turns over the last few days and now that it appears we may have a slight break in developments, I think it's time we get everybody on the same page and update those who've missed out.

Before we begin, you'll notice that many of the links below go to work by Randy Rosetta on either TigerSportsDigest.com or his twitter feed. For many of the odd turns in this story, like the erroneous SportsNola report about Jefferson and other's being arrested, Rosetta has been the first one to call the BRPD and the attorneys to get official clarification. We dog certain reporters that we don't like around here often, so it's important that we also recognize great work when we see it.

What We Know

Thursday night, after the end of the 2nd full scrimmage of the fall, all LSU football players were accounted for in their rooms at a 10:30pm curfew. With the next day scheduled off, a large group of players decided to break curfew and some of them went to Shady's, a bar on East Boyd, just south of campus. Sometime in the early hours Friday, a driver who was trying to leave the parking lot honked his horn at a crowd of people in his way. At this point a fight broke out in the parking lot, leaving 4 victims. While EMS on the scene did look at their injuries, all 4 opted to transport themselves to nearby hospitals for treatment and they were all out of hospital later that day, though two of them are "still seeking medical attention." BRPD has confirmed that witnesses have told them that one of the victims was kicked in the head, but they have not yet determined if that actually happened. No video footage of the incident has surfaced yet.

Jordan Jefferson was first named a person of interest in the investigation on Friday. On Saturday, Les Miles held a brief press conference and said that the team as a whole had and would be disciplined for breaking curfew, and that while no suspensions had been given, he was waiting for BRPD's investigation to finish before moving forward. Late Saturday, BRPD contacted Jefferson, OL Chris Davenport, WR Jarvis Landry, and LB Josh Johns and asked them to come in on Monday for interviews. On Sunday morning, the 4 players retained the services of attorney Nathan Fisher, last seen representing Ryan Perrilloux during the Federal counterfeiting investigation in early 2007, and notified the BRPD that they would not be coming in for the interviews on Monday. BRPD says they rescheduled for Tuesday, but Fisher could not confirm this as of Sunday afternoon. The 4 victims have also retained an attorney, Michael Bienvenu, who told reporters that his clients intend to press charges.

What Is Rumored

WAFB, the Baton Rouge area CBS, reported accounts from "people who claim to have witnessed the incident" that the driver of the truck was pulled from his vehicle and that a separate victim who was kicked in the head was a Marine and the kicker was Jordan Jefferson. As of late Sunday, BRPD would not confirm any of this, other than that they had been told someone had been kicked in the head. None of the victims have been identified publicly.

While none of the players have commented, Jefferson's father John has told multiple reporters that his son was not involved in the incident and want's his name to be cleared. From the Times-Pic:

Jefferson's father, John Jefferson, said his son told him he left before the fight started and is upset at the perception he was involved. He said Jordan Jefferson told him several teammates have vouched for his innocence, unsolicited, to Miles. He said Jefferson was in his apartment when teammates called and asked him to join a group of players who had gone out.

"Jordan said he went over there for about 30 minutes in his jeans and slippers," John Jefferson said. "He said he saw an altercation about to happen and told the guys with him 'Let's roll.'

"I'm a little ticked at him that he went at all. He's the face of the team. All the coaches are saying the players who were there are coming to them and saying 'Jordan didn't even throw a punch,' and at one point Jordan was saying 'Y'all chill out,' and then he rolled out. He didn't want to have anything to do with it."

The father of OL T-Bob Hebert, Saint's Pro Bowl QB and radio host Bobby Hebert also released a comment defending his son on twitter.
Majority of the team skipped curfew and should be disciplined, but T-Bob had nothing to do with the fight and shouldn't be singled out..BS!


For now, it seems we are in a holding pattern. The BRPD seems fine with waiting to interview the 4 players on Tuesday, though that may change if new evidence surfaces. While the victims' attorney could file charges tomorrow, it's unknown at this point what their plans are.
The team meanwhile continues to practice as it has the last few days, probably a little worse for the wear. Strength coach Tommy Moffitt is the kind of guy who dreams of wind sprints in his sleep, and is no doubt relishing the next few weeks of extra "conditioning" the team will be doing. Other matters, like the ongoing worries about Russell Shepard's status for the first game and whether Mickey Johnson is ever going to get out of the NCAA clearing house will also continue to distract from preparations for Oregon, which becomes the main focus of practice from here on out.

I was going to end there, but I realize that last paragraph seems a little flippant in regard to the situation. Make no mistake, if Jefferson or any other player did in fact do what is being claimed, they should be suspended immediately and should not play against Oregon, maybe even longer. However, Miles and LSU are right to wait on doling out suspensions until more is known.
The hardcore tiger fan in me says that the fact that the “victims” have already obtain an attorney in order to pursue a civil suit before anyone charges have even been filed means that this whole ordeal is a revenge/money seeking venture…the lawyer in me (yes I am a lawyer…kind of) says that all parties are protecting their own interest (as they should) and the truth will come out after all of the facts are gathered. I only hope that the facts are in the players favor.

Re: Jordan Jefferson Suspect in Bar Fight

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:09 pm
by MFRDuckFan
I would probably obtain an attorney as well just for wading through the huge obstacle that is ahead of them. When you have a big time sports program, you don't need to get dragged through the mud by the media or fans (name becomes public, you become enemy #1 of the program & fans send you death threats - etc.). I say it was a smart move on their part.

Re: Jordan Jefferson Suspect in Bar Fight

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:14 pm
by karlhungis
MFRDuckFan wrote:I would probably obtain an attorney as well just for wading through the huge obstacle that is ahead of them. When you have a big time sports program, you don't need to get dragged through the mud by the media or fans (name becomes public, you become enemy #1 of the program & fans send you death threats - etc.). I say it was a smart move on their part.
I agree. If I was in a football town and got beat up by a bunch of football players, I would lawyer up as well. I certainly don't see it as a money grab on their part.

I want to see what comes from the conflicting reports of Jefferson's involvment. If he is telling the truth about not even being there, then that is great. If he is lying, and having his father go on record defending his whereabouts, then I don't think that things will go so well for him. I still can't believe that there isn't any video footage at all of the event.