Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment

[squintsdd]

I think Oregon fans over value the "Oregon brand". I would agree with you on that point if we were still in the Chip Kelly days, but we're not. Oregon has been a middling team for several years now. There's been success on the field but it's only been above average to good. Oregon has not tasted excellence in a long time. Oregon is a big fish in a dwindling pond, but merely slightly above average in an ocean

Oregon's brand of innovative offense, top-notch facilities, the coolest unis, etc, existed long before Chip and it still exists today. We are Nike U. And we have a recent Rose Bowl win while constantly being in the playoff discusion. Definitely not "middling." That would be a team like UCLA or even USC until this last season.

How cool would it be to take a desperation haircut to join the Big 10, taking in less money than Minnesota for most of the next decade? Yeah, not very cool.

The offense hasn't been all that innovative since CK. Hell, we just got done complaining about how stagnant our offense was under Cristobal. Dillingham was turning things around, but we can't really claim that one anymore can we?

Oregon is not Nike U. Nike sponsors a lot of schools. Oregon has a big time booster, but so do other schools. If Nike could elevate a brand as much as we like to think, then the "Oregon brand" should be a no brainer for any conference, recruit, and viewer.

The last time we made the playoffs was in 2014. While being in the playoff discussion on occasion, the only time it was actually taken seriously since then was in 2018, and then they lost to ASU thanks to Cristobal's "innovative" offense. At the end of the day, if you aren't seriously in the playoff discussion by seasons end then your just a good team and nothing more.

If all Oregon can say is that they have innovative uniforms, which many other schools can claim nowadays as well, then congrats on being happy with seeing fashion trends on the football field I guess.

Staying in a dying conference won't do much except further devalue a brand that most Oregon fans already over value.

[pudgejeff]

I think Oregon fans over value the "Oregon brand". I would agree with you on that point if we were still in the Chip Kelly days, but we're not. Oregon has been a middling team for several years now. There's been success on the field but it's only been above average to good. Oregon has not tasted excellence in a long time. Oregon is a big fish in a dwindling pond, but merely slightly above average in an ocean

Oregon's brand of innovative offense, top-notch facilities, the coolest unis, etc, existed long before Chip and it still exists today. We are Nike U. And we have a recent Rose Bowl win while constantly being in the playoff discusion. Definitely not "middling." That would be a team like UCLA or even USC until this last season.

How cool would it be to take a desperation haircut to join the Big 10, taking in less money than Minnesota for most of the next decade? Yeah, not very cool.

The offense hasn't been all that innovative since CK. Hell, we just got done complaining about how stagnant our offense was under Cristobal. Dillingham was turning things around, but we can't really claim that one anymore can we?

Oregon is not Nike U. Nike sponsors a lot of schools. Oregon has a big time booster, but so do other schools. If Nike could elevate a brand as much as we like to think, then the "Oregon brand" should be a no brainer for any conference, recruit, and viewer.

The last time we made the playoffs was in 2014. While being in the playoff discussion on occasion, the only time it was actually taken seriously since then was in 2018, and then they lost to ASU thanks to Cristobal's "innovative" offense. At the end of the day, if you aren't seriously in the playoff discussion by seasons end then your just a good team and nothing more.

If all Oregon can say is that they have innovative uniforms, which many other schools can claim nowadays as well, then congrats on being happy with seeing fashion trends on the football field I guess.

Staying in a dying conference won't do much except further devalue a brand that most Oregon fans already over value.

I really wish people would spend some doing a little research before the make posts like this. Oregon is a huge brand, it does recruit, and the viewership is top level. Saying otherwise is literal nonsense, go spend 10 minutes and educate yourself.

[pezsez1]

The offense hasn't been all that innovative since CK. Hell, we just got done complaining about how stagnant our offense was under Cristobal. Dillingham was turning things around, but we can't really claim that one anymore can we?

Oregon is not Nike U. Nike sponsors a lot of schools. Oregon has a big time booster, but so do other schools. If Nike could elevate a brand as much as we like to think, then the "Oregon brand" should be a no brainer for any conference, recruit, and viewer.

The last time we made the playoffs was in 2014. While being in the playoff discussion on occasion, the only time it was actually taken seriously since then was in 2018, and then they lost to ASU thanks to Cristobal's "innovative" offense. At the end of the day, if you aren't seriously in the playoff discussion by seasons end then your just a good team and nothing more.

If all Oregon can say is that they have innovative uniforms, which many other schools can claim nowadays as well, then congrats on being happy with seeing fashion trends on the football field I guess.

Staying in a dying conference won't do much except further devalue a brand that most Oregon fans already over value.

Did you know that the offense was innovative long before Chip ever arrived? Oregon's offense has had a reputation for being innovative since at least the late 1990s. Same goes for facilities, unis, and, yes, being Nike U. You know, the one with Uncle Phil. We are absolutely Nike U. Nike is a massive sports apparel brand and does give stuff to a lot of schools, but there is no other Nike U. We are clearly his favorite and by far the largest beneficiary of his giving. I mean, come on, man.

Also, the playoff discussions about us were legit last year -- and accelerating -- right up until Nix got hurt. The reason we are repeatedly in these discussions isn't just our consistently great record, but also -- wait for it -- our brand! :O Recruits love us, TV crews love Autzen, people tune in everywhere to watch us because we're one of the nation's best brands.

Lots of other schools have followed our uniform trend, for sure... but when people talk about uniforms, they think of Oregon. We own that. Because, again, that's our brand. Innovation. Being cool. Rich, cool, and 4-0. (Die-hard Duck may understand that reference.)

The Pac-12 isn't a dying conference until it's dying. It's not dying. It's likely on the verge of expansion.

Oregon's brand is innovation. If you disagree then I don't know what you've been watching for the past 25 years.

[dthomas=ddixon]

Brand won’t mean anything when over the course of 5 years every team in the B1G and SEC will have made $500m to our $100m from our respective TV deals. Teams like Northwestern will be able to have coaching and supports staffs twice the size of ours and pay them all more than we can pay ours.

Over time we will fall way behind and struggle to even hire quality staffs because those conferences will have monopolized all the best coaches, and will be on a different level entirely overall.

[squintsdd]

The offense hasn't been all that innovative since CK. Hell, we just got done complaining about how stagnant our offense was under Cristobal. Dillingham was turning things around, but we can't really claim that one anymore can we?

Oregon is not Nike U. Nike sponsors a lot of schools. Oregon has a big time booster, but so do other schools. If Nike could elevate a brand as much as we like to think, then the "Oregon brand" should be a no brainer for any conference, recruit, and viewer.

The last time we made the playoffs was in 2014. While being in the playoff discussion on occasion, the only time it was actually taken seriously since then was in 2018, and then they lost to ASU thanks to Cristobal's "innovative" offense. At the end of the day, if you aren't seriously in the playoff discussion by seasons end then your just a good team and nothing more.

If all Oregon can say is that they have innovative uniforms, which many other schools can claim nowadays as well, then congrats on being happy with seeing fashion trends on the football field I guess.

Staying in a dying conference won't do much except further devalue a brand that most Oregon fans already over value.

Did you know that the offense was innovative long before Chip ever arrived? Oregon's offense has had a reputation for being innovative since at least the late 1990s. Same goes for facilities, unis, and, yes, being Nike U. You know, the one with Uncle Phil. We are absolutely Nike U. Nike is a massive sports apparel brand and does give stuff to a lot of schools, but there is no other Nike U. We are clearly his favorite and by far the largest beneficiary of his giving. I mean, come on, man.

Also, the playoff discussions about us were legit last year -- and accelerating -- right up until Nix got hurt. The reason we are repeatedly in these discussions isn't just our consistently great record, but also -- wait for it -- our brand! :O Recruits love us, TV crews love Autzen, people tune in everywhere to watch us because we're one of the nation's best brands.

Lots of other schools have followed our uniform trend, for sure... but when people talk about uniforms, they think of Oregon. We own that. Because, again, that's our brand. Innovation. Being cool. Rich, cool, and 4-0. (Die-hard Duck may understand that reference.)

The Pac-12 isn't a dying conference until it's dying. It's not dying. It's likely on the verge of expansion.

Oregon's brand is innovation. If you disagree then I don't know what you've been watching for the past 25 years.

Here's where I'm willing to say I misspoke or am wrong. Oregon is a large brand with a following. Oregon can be called Nike U. In the sense that a lot of the facilities have come from the pockets of Phil knight, which I actually mentioned previously that he's a large donor to the university. Oregon uniforms combos are talked about, but many schools are also catching onto the trend.

Here's where I'm misunderstood. I never said Oregon wasn't a big brand. I said i think fans tend to over value the Oregon brand. As in, it won't carry a conference that won't be able to land any big name schools to help it with a tv deal.

Oregon has had innovative offenses, but I never said they hadn't. They just haven't in a long time. Not since CK. Dillingham was fixing that, but he's gone now.

Oregon has been in playoff talks, but has finished in the top 10 in the AP poll just once since it's last playoff appearance, and unranked multiple times. That is hardly a team that is a serious playoff contender. Clearly the brand didn't help there.

[buckmarkduck]

Brand won’t mean anything when over the course of 5 years every team in the B1G and SEC will have made $500m to our $100m from our respective TV deals. Teams like Northwestern will be able to have coaching and supports staffs twice the size of ours and pay them all more than we can pay ours.

Over time we will fall way behind and struggle to even hire quality staffs because those conferences will have monopolized all the best coaches, and will be on a different level entirely overall.

People here forget that unfortunately uncle Phil is 90, he won’t be around forever. They expect he will cover the difference, but there is a reason he is pushing for the move. He and others know if we get left in the pac 12, we will basically be getting bumped down to non power 5 school.

[dthomas=ddixon]

Brand won’t mean anything when over the course of 5 years every team in the B1G and SEC will have made $500m to our $100m from our respective TV deals. Teams like Northwestern will be able to have coaching and supports staffs twice the size of ours and pay them all more than we can pay ours.

Over time we will fall way behind and struggle to even hire quality staffs because those conferences will have monopolized all the best coaches, and will be on a different level entirely overall.

People here forget that unfortunately uncle Phil is 90, he won’t be around forever. They expect he will cover the difference, but there is a reason he is pushing for the move. He and others know if we get left in the pac 12, we will basically be getting bumped down to non power 5 school.

100%. And even if he was 30, he’s never just straight up subsidized the football program. Especially not to the tune of $70-80m a year.

[bdkipe]

EVERY school, save for ‘Bama & Georgia overvalues their brand.

That’s the nature of being a college football fan.

Does anyone here have die-hard Trojan fans in their life? My best friend is one and they are completely myopic when it comes to USC. It’s to the point that I can’t even talk football with Trojan fans.

They are convinced USC is getting invited to the B1G because of their “tradition and dominance”. The reality is the B1G sees the recruiting grounds and in no way do tOSU or UM see SC as a threat. They want the access to the recruits and the increased $$$ leveraging the SoCal TV market brings.

USC is legit the 65yr old guy living off a lot of family money who dates a really flirty, fun 25yr old absolute smoke show who isn’t faithful behind his back. The guy thinks he’s invited to all the cool young parties because of family name and bank account, but in reality it’s because his girlfriend is hooking up with all the guys her age in the bathroom or coat closet while he’s drinking at the bar.

There is nothing about Lincoln Riley’s preferred style of team that scares Day or Harbaugh and even Fickell. Especially a Lincoln Riley team playing outdoors in freezing temps in November.

I’ll end my rant with two examples of typical USC fans:

- I know USC fans who made fun of Travis Dye for 4 years. Literally made fun of EVERYTHING about him. Size, lack of speed, lack of gloves, ball security. Last year all I had to hear was “see, players with Travis Dye’s skill only want to go to places like USC”.

- In the mid-2010’s when The Pirate roamed the Palouse (RIP) I’d tell my USC fans that they should throw money at him. Imagine what Leach could do with that talent. They’d crap all over his offenses as “gimmicky” and “not real football”. Yet now I hear nothing but a constant barrage of $h!t talk about “Riley is going to be the next Saban”, etc. etc. he’s the 2nd or 3rd best coach in College Football, etc. etc. To that I say “cool story bruh, WHAT COACHING TREE IS RILEY FROM”

TLDR; - watching USC fail in the B1G, SoCal get raided for recruits and those kids freeze up North in November is going to be fun until Riley bolts for the NFL.

[ducks5ever]

TLDR; - watching USC fail in the B1G, SoCal get raided for recruits and those kids freeze up North in November is going to be fun until Riley bolts for the NFL.

What gives - their coffers will be loaded at that point and they can raid any school not in the Big 10 or sec for a new competent staff. Easy sell - double your paycheck and 2x+ the NIL pool

[northbeachsf]

EVERY school, save for ‘Bama & Georgia overvalues their brand.

That’s the nature of being a college football fan.

Does anyone here have die-hard Trojan fans in their life? My best friend is one and they are completely myopic when it comes to USC. It’s to the point that I can’t even talk football with Trojan fans.

They are convinced USC is getting invited to the B1G because of their “tradition and dominance”. The reality is the B1G sees the recruiting grounds and in no way do tOSU or UM see SC as a threat. They want the access to the recruits and the increased $$$ leveraging the SoCal TV market brings.

USC is legit the 65yr old guy living off a lot of family money who dates a really flirty, fun 25yr old absolute smoke show who isn’t faithful behind his back. The guy thinks he’s invited to all the cool young parties because of family name and bank account, but in reality it’s because his girlfriend is hooking up with all the guys her age in the bathroom or coat closet while he’s drinking at the bar.

There is nothing about Lincoln Riley’s preferred style of team that scares Day or Harbaugh and even Fickell. Especially a Lincoln Riley team playing outdoors in freezing temps in November.

I’ll end my rant with two examples of typical USC fans:

- I know USC fans who made fun of Travis Dye for 4 years. Literally made fun of EVERYTHING about him. Size, lack of speed, lack of gloves, ball security. Last year all I had to hear was “see, players with Travis Dye’s skill only want to go to places like USC”.

- In the mid-2010’s when The Pirate roamed the Palouse (RIP) I’d tell my USC fans that they should throw money at him. Imagine what Leach could do with that talent. They’d crap all over his offenses as “gimmicky” and “not real football”. Yet now I hear nothing but a constant barrage of $h!t talk about “Riley is going to be the next Saban”, etc. etc. he’s the 2nd or 3rd best coach in College Football, etc. etc. To that I say “cool story bruh, WHAT COACHING TREE IS RILEY FROM”

TLDR; - watching USC fail in the B1G, SoCal get raided for recruits and those kids freeze up North in November is going to be fun until Riley bolts for the NFL.

This is an underrated post. Let me add that I keep seeing all this talk about how the BIG needs USC and UCLA to have travel partners. No they don’t. The BIG presidents are not idiots. You think tOSU, Penn State, Michigan, and Michigan State wants this transition to be easy for USC and UCLA? Absolutely not. They already have the money and the access to the recruiting grounds. If USC and UCLA fall on their faces, all the existing BIG member schools benefit.

[pezsez1]

This is an underrated post. Let me add that I keep seeing all this talk about how the BIG needs USC and UCLA to have travel partners. No they don’t. The BIG presidents are not idiots. You think tOSU, Penn State, Michigan, and Michigan State wants this transition to be easy for USC and UCLA? Absolutely not. They already have the money and the access to the recruiting grounds. If USC and UCLA fall on their faces, all the existing BIG member schools benefit.

This, I fully agree with.

UCLA and USC may have deeper pockets going forward, but they'll almost never be in the playoff. Not unless they move to Indiana or something. That brutal travel schedule is going to strangle each school's chances of success.

The B1G has no financial incentive to invite us or find travel partners for the SoCal schools.

[squintsdd]

This is an underrated post. Let me add that I keep seeing all this talk about how the BIG needs USC and UCLA to have travel partners. No they don’t. The BIG presidents are not idiots. You think tOSU, Penn State, Michigan, and Michigan State wants this transition to be easy for USC and UCLA? Absolutely not. They already have the money and the access to the recruiting grounds. If USC and UCLA fall on their faces, all the existing BIG member schools benefit.

This, I fully agree with.

UCLA and USC may have deeper pockets going forward, but they'll almost never be in the playoff. Not unless they move to Indiana or something. That brutal travel schedule is going to strangle each school's chances of success.

The B1G has no financial incentive to invite us or find travel partners for the SoCal schools.

I agree that the B1G doesn't care one way or the other if Oregon were to join, which is why I think Oregon should make a play to join the BIG12. For football I don't think travel will matter as much as some people think. Show up on Thursday, walk through on Friday, game on Saturday. Basketball on the other hand will be a tough travel schedule.

I actually think being in the B1G will benefit USC and UCLA more than the B1G will benefit from having them. Remember, USC and UCLA will also have greater access to more recruiting grounds as well.

[pezsez1]

I'm definitely excited to see the media deal, no matter how it turns out. If our games are all available on streaming, and if the Blazers don't make any significant offseason moves, then I won't be able to cut my cable fast enough.

[UofDuck]

If the PAC loses CO, UT, ASU and AZ it will only take a minute before The Pac loses an auto invite to the playoffs. SMU and SDSU will have zero impact on that. We could find ourselves out in the cold. That said, I think U Phil could flex some muscle with several B1G schools for influence.

[northbeachsf]

Big-12 insider indicating that the 4 west coast schools that the Big-12 is interested in are AZ, Colorado, ASU, and SDSU, not Utah. I am assuming SoCal helps with recruiting and TV more than Utah does.