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Just committed to UW.

This one makes no sense - they turned away a kid who wanted to come here.

I'm sure people are going to defend the coaches, but I hate the way they've treated some of these recruits. Kevin McReynolds part II. We were lucky that BJ Kelley committed even after the way the coaches treated him (didn't return his phone calls for a month +).

honestly though if he committed to UW no big deal to me the guy is 6-1 240lb, thats not a lot of size on the Dline. I rather have 6-4 245lb or more Darius Hamilton.

I agree though Oregon can send mixed smoke signals then back off and not return calls or lose interest and move in another direction. But Oregon has been burned in another way, where recruits choose Oregon then change mind and go somewhere (good friend Roderick Byers) else or pledge to visit then change mind (Dominique easley). so it works out both ways

I agree with Ksmack for sure on that

ksmack wrote:honestly though if he committed to UW no big deal to me the guy is 6-1 240lb, thats not a lot of size on the Dline. I rather have 6-4 245lb or more Darius Hamilton.

And I'd rather have George Farmer than BJ Kelley. There's no guarantee that Hamilton is going to come from the East Coast to play for Oregon. How many elite defensive recruits has Oregon secured from the other side of the country? Scout has Castro listed as 6'3 245. That's pretty damn solid for a high school junior. There's no reason to downplay the fact that Castro is a very talented kid.

I agree though Oregon can send mixed smoke signals then back off and not return calls or lose interest and move in another direction. But Oregon has been burned in another way, where recruits choose Oregon then change mind and go somewhere (good friend Roderick Byers) else or pledge to visit then change mind (Dominique easley). so it works out both ways
Yes it goes both ways, but when the coaching staff talks about integrity and stops returning phone calls, you have to wonder. Shouldn't the coaches be held to a higher standard than 17 year old kids? Why not give the kid to courtesy of letting him know that he is no longer in the team's plans. Bellotti wasn't an amazing recruiter, but he never pulled any "stunts" like this.

I know I'm going to get blasted for having the audacity to blast the coaching staff. This isn't even about missing out on Castro. We could end up with Hamilton, Buckner, and Kaumatule - and I still wouldn't like the way the coaches handled this situation.

Yes agreed about the coaching sending the wrong signals, Now you know why the Lyles thing happened, I believe sometimes the coaches/complaince office/admin are not on the same page!

but honestly belotti's recruiting vs Chip's recruiting, hands down chip has pulled better players, recruiting is a dog. so many promises exchanged. however chip is a straight shooter if he really wants you! that's the key if he really wants you as a player on his team. Chip is the bill bellichek of the West coast!

now on castro, even at 6'3" 245lb vs an ellis McCarthy 6'5" 305-311 type I will take that everyday. Just sayin, Castro is kenny Rowe and some.

uostudent wrote:

ksmack wrote:honestly though if he committed to UW no big deal to me the guy is 6-1 240lb, thats not a lot of size on the Dline. I rather have 6-4 245lb or more Darius Hamilton.

And I'd rather have George Farmer than BJ Kelley. There's no guarantee that Hamilton is going to come from the East Coast to play for Oregon. How many elite defensive recruits has Oregon secured from the other side of the country? Scout has Castro listed as 6'3 245. That's pretty damn solid for a high school junior. There's no reason to downplay the fact that Castro is a very talented kid.

I agree though Oregon can send mixed smoke signals then back off and not return calls or lose interest and move in another direction. But Oregon has been burned in another way, where recruits choose Oregon then change mind and go somewhere (good friend Roderick Byers) else or pledge to visit then change mind (Dominique easley). so it works out both ways
Yes it goes both ways, but when the coaching staff talks about integrity and stops returning phone calls, you have to wonder. Shouldn't the coaches be held to a higher standard than 17 year old kids? Why not give the kid to courtesy of letting him know that he is no longer in the team's plans. Bellotti wasn't an amazing recruiter, but he never pulled any "stunts" like this.

I know I'm going to get blasted for having the audacity to blast the coaching staff. This isn't even about missing out on Castro. We could end up with Hamilton, Buckner, and Kaumatule - and I still wouldn't like the way the coaches handled this situation.

How do you even know what actually went down? There are so many factors involved that, unless you are directly involved, you couldn't possibly know what the real story is. Forgive me if I side with the coaches in cases like this.

uostudent wrote:

ksmack wrote:honestly though if he committed to UW no big deal to me the guy is 6-1 240lb, thats not a lot of size on the Dline. I rather have 6-4 245lb or more Darius Hamilton.

And I'd rather have George Farmer than BJ Kelley. There's no guarantee that Hamilton is going to come from the East Coast to play for Oregon. How many elite defensive recruits has Oregon secured from the other side of the country? Scout has Castro listed as 6'3 245. That's pretty damn solid for a high school junior. There's no reason to downplay the fact that Castro is a very talented kid.

I agree though Oregon can send mixed smoke signals then back off and not return calls or lose interest and move in another direction. But Oregon has been burned in another way, where recruits choose Oregon then change mind and go somewhere (good friend Roderick Byers) else or pledge to visit then change mind (Dominique easley). so it works out both ways
Yes it goes both ways, but when the coaching staff talks about integrity and stops returning phone calls, you have to wonder. Shouldn't the coaches be held to a higher standard than 17 year old kids? Why not give the kid to courtesy of letting him know that he is no longer in the team's plans. Bellotti wasn't an amazing recruiter, but he never pulled any "stunts" like this.

I know I'm going to get blasted for having the audacity to blast the coaching staff. This isn't even about missing out on Castro. We could end up with Hamilton, Buckner, and Kaumatule - and I still wouldn't like the way the coaches handled this situation.

I agree with you.

Not going to blast anyone, simply throw this out...

Maybe the coaches see Castro as a middling prospect? To be fair, all of these "signals" that people are suggesting that we're giving are media-driven, I have yet to see anything concrete that says we're screwing with these kids.

Just seems to me like this may be a case of the average looking girl pining for the popular jock. Just because she likes us doesn't mean we HAVE to date her...

Having said that, I do agree that it APPEARS that we're playing some games with recruits, just trying to point out that few, if any know what's REALLY going on behind the scenes...

Rumor has it that we cooled on Castro after he decided not to camp with us. I'm sure there are other reasons as to why we cooled on him, but that is just one example of Castro not showing a ton of interest as well. Even if that didn't play into cooling on Castro, I still have no problem with the way our staff handled this. It's not as if our staff strung him along and then pulled the rug out from under him, it just didn't appear to be a fit for either party.

Kinda strange too because Castro was absolutely in love with Oregon and we were on top for him. It just seems strange the Ducks would pull away from him this early. I can understand the McReynolds situation a little more because he lingered a bit, but this is slightly odd.

Oh well, coaches got us to the national championship so I'm not even going to stress recruiting that much. Just follow it and enjoy the guys we land.

We already have 2 DEs committed this early in the cycle

My guess is that the coaches have a few guys ahead of him on their board and are likely holding out until the fall for their official visits.

ksmack wrote:Yes agreed about the coaching sending the wrong signals, Now you know why the Lyles thing happened, I believe sometimes the coaches/complaince office/admin are not on the same page!

but honestly belotti's recruiting vs Chip's recruiting, hands down chip has pulled better players, recruiting is a dog. so many promises exchanged. however chip is a straight shooter if he really wants you! that's the key if he really wants you as a player on his team. Chip is the bill bellichek of the West coast!

now on castro, even at 6'3" 245lb vs an ellis McCarthy 6'5" 305-311 type I will take that everyday. Just sayin, Castro is kenny Rowe and some.

Lol, I dont really have a view on either side of this, but Ellis McCarthy is a WAY bigger than average DT (He's HUGE) and If Castro right now is at 245, thats WAY bigger than most DE recruits. Just because he's there doesn't mean he will stay there. And your asking for Hamilton and even though he's obviously a much better prospect, Darius Hamilton is 1 inch taller and listed at the exact same weight.

And i agree with ^, i think since we wont be taking too many DL this year, we want to shoot for bigtime talent, like McCarthy, Hamilton, and others that are more big names before we are going to go with the smallerish guys.

I agree that we will be more selective with defensive linemen the rest of the way. I wouldn't be surprised if Carriger took Castro's spot.

Ellis McCarthy is a freak he is what Delvon simmons was last year as a possible recruit for the Ducks, see the opening which was at Beaverton Nike campus, this guy slapped this lineman silly to get to QB dummy. McCarthy is the real deal 5* is right! his options are open though I think Sunny weather is more is climate. If Ducks go hard at him, you never know? What a huge pick up that would be for Coach AZZ! Castro who?