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Tight end Jalen Cope-Fitzpatrick took an official visit to Oregon over the weekend and said he learned a great deal about the Ducks and their offense.

“I really liked the visit a lot,” Cope-Fitzpatrick said. “I heard rumors that they don’t use the tight end much but nothing could be further from the truth. Oregon always has a good tight end and they’re a big focal point of the offense. You watch the highlights on ESPN and you see the long touchdowns runs and throws, but their tight ends get a lot of love.

“David Paulsen is a great player and he’s graduating. They only have one other guy on the roster so the depth chart looks great. I think the high point for me though was just meeting the people of Oregon. Everyone I met and I mean everyone was great to me. I even loved the guys at airport security in the Eugene airport. The fans are incredible and I got along great with all the players on the team, it was just a really good visit.”

Probably won't get him but maybe an outside chance, at least we used our tight ends for him.

That's a pretty good visit. I actually feel a little optimistic about him.

thomas time wrote:From espn
Tight end Jalen Cope-Fitzpatrick took an official visit to Oregon over the weekend and said he learned a great deal about the Ducks and their offense.

“I really liked the visit a lot,” Cope-Fitzpatrick said. “I heard rumors that they don’t use the tight end much but nothing could be further from the truth. Oregon always has a good tight end and they’re a big focal point of the offense. You watch the highlights on ESPN and you see the long touchdowns runs and throws, but their tight ends get a lot of love.

“David Paulsen is a great player and he’s graduating. They only have one other guy on the roster so the depth chart looks great. I think the high point for me though was just meeting the people of Oregon. Everyone I met and I mean everyone was great to me. I even loved the guys at airport security in the Eugene airport. The fans are incredible and I got along great with all the players on the team, it was just a really good visit.”

Probably won't get him but maybe an outside chance, at least we used our tight ends for him.

Dead silence from C4Q board on those bolded statements. I just hope he doesn't go back and look at historical stats for the TE position. On the bright side, we can show a long track record of putting tight ends into the pros. Hope we get him.

Chip Kelly has used the TEs extensively during his time running our offense.

Ed Dickson and David Paulson were both HUGE in our offense, and Brandon Williams would have been had he not gotten hurt. Colt Lyerla has already been big in the games he's been healthy for.

Remember, we had planned on using our TEs even more this season before White/Williams got hurt.

pezsez1 wrote:Chip Kelly has used the TEs extensively during his time running our offense.

Ed Dickson and David Paulson were both HUGE in our offense, and Brandon Williams would have been had he not gotten hurt. Colt Lyerla has already been big in the games he's been healthy for.

Remember, we had planned on using our TEs even more this season before White/Williams got hurt.

Given his talent, Paulson has been under-used this year.

nehalem wrote:

thomas time wrote:From espn
Tight end Jalen Cope-Fitzpatrick took an official visit to Oregon over the weekend and said he learned a great deal about the Ducks and their offense.

“I really liked the visit a lot,” Cope-Fitzpatrick said. “I heard rumors that they don’t use the tight end much but nothing could be further from the truth. Oregon always has a good tight end and they’re a big focal point of the offense. You watch the highlights on ESPN and you see the long touchdowns runs and throws, but their tight ends get a lot of love.

“David Paulsen is a great player and he’s graduating. They only have one other guy on the roster so the depth chart looks great. I think the high point for me though was just meeting the people of Oregon. Everyone I met and I mean everyone was great to me. I even loved the guys at airport security in the Eugene airport. The fans are incredible and I got along great with all the players on the team, it was just a really good visit.”

Probably won't get him but maybe an outside chance, at least we used our tight ends for him.

Dead silence from C4Q board on those bolded statements. I just hope he doesn't go back and look at historical stats for the TE position. On the bright side, we can show a long track record of putting tight ends into the pros. Hope we get him.

What do you mean? Our historical stats at TE are very good.... Just take a look at them compared to say..... Washington!

Oregon
2011:
David Paulson 40 rec, 400 yards, 6TD
2010:
David Paulson 24 rec, 418 yards, 4TD
2009:
Ed Dickson 42 rec, 551 yards, 6TD
2008:
Ed Dickson 35 rec, 508 yards, 3TD
2007:
Ed Dickson 43 rec, 453 yards, 3TD
2006:
Dante Rosario 42 rec, 426 yards, 1TD
2005:
Tim Day 25 rec, 215 yards, 1TD
Dante Rosario 15 rec, 168 yards, 2TD
2004:
Tim Day 35 rec, 457 yards, 8TD
Dante Rosario 25 rec, 278 yards, 6TD
2003:
Tim Day 23 rec, 318 yards, 3TD
Dante Rosario 12 rec, 131 yards, 3TD
2002:
George Wrighster 41 rec, 568 yards, 6TD
2001:
Justin Peelle 29 rec, 425 yards, 8TD

Washington
2011:
Austin Seferian Jenkins 36, 480, 6TD
2010:
None over 100
2009:
Kavario Middleton 26, 257, 3
2008:
Michael Gottlieb 15, 197, 1
2007:
Michael Gottlieb 12, 136
2006:
None over 100 yards
2005:
Robert Lewis 14, 162, 1
2004:
Joe Toledo (4th round as OL) 19, 202, 2
2003:
Jon Lyon 17, 231, 0
2002:
Kevin Ware 42, 462, 5
2001:
Kevin Ware 7, 102, 0
Jerramy Stevens (1st round pick)
Alex Homes 20, 150, 2

pezsez1 wrote:Chip Kelly has used the TEs extensively during his time running our offense.

Ed Dickson and David Paulson were both HUGE in our offense, and Brandon Williams would have been had he not gotten hurt. Colt Lyerla has already been big in the games he's been healthy for.

Remember, we had planned on using our TEs even more this season before White/Williams got hurt.

All true.
But going back many, many years with all the fantastic TEs we've had, their are games, hell, stretches of games where our TEs weren't utilized. I've been overly sensitive about this for along time; culminating with the RB loss to OSU(I'll never ever say "The".)

In the weeks leading up to the RB one of the Bucks coaches said that they had a hard time covering TEs with their defense. I thought CK would take advantage of that, but Dickson had no catches and if I recall correctly, only one thrown his way.

It goes without saying that TEs, especially good ones, are such a valuable weapon to any offense. Particularly when you have a QB that's shorter, has questionable accuracy, whose offensive line was being outplayed, and against a defense that was selling out to stop the run-effectively and still managing to get a stressful pass rush on; I've always felt like we didn't take advantage of a golden opprotunity.

What do I know. Their are probably reasons unfathomable to a football fan at my pay grade, explaining why this happens. But I've watched this closely for a long time and their is a trend of our TEs getting lost in the shuffle.

BTW, I checked the OSU regular season stats to see if that Bucks coach was telling the truth and opposing TEs did have good games against them.

dd10snoop28 wrote:

nehalem wrote:

thomas time wrote:From espn
Tight end Jalen Cope-Fitzpatrick took an official visit to Oregon over the weekend and said he learned a great deal about the Ducks and their offense.

“I really liked the visit a lot,” Cope-Fitzpatrick said. “I heard rumors that they don’t use the tight end much but nothing could be further from the truth. Oregon always has a good tight end and they’re a big focal point of the offense. You watch the highlights on ESPN and you see the long touchdowns runs and throws, but their tight ends get a lot of love.

“David Paulsen is a great player and he’s graduating. They only have one other guy on the roster so the depth chart looks great. I think the high point for me though was just meeting the people of Oregon. Everyone I met and I mean everyone was great to me. I even loved the guys at airport security in the Eugene airport. The fans are incredible and I got along great with all the players on the team, it was just a really good visit.”

Probably won't get him but maybe an outside chance, at least we used our tight ends for him.

Dead silence from C4Q board on those bolded statements. I just hope he doesn't go back and look at historical stats for the TE position. On the bright side, we can show a long track record of putting tight ends into the pros. Hope we get him.

What do you mean? Our historical stats at TE are very good.... Just take a look at them compared to say..... Washington!

Oregon
2011:
David Paulson 40 rec, 400 yards, 6TD
2010:
David Paulson 24 rec, 418 yards, 4TD
2009:
Ed Dickson 42 rec, 551 yards, 6TD
2008:
Ed Dickson 35 rec, 508 yards, 3TD
2007:
Ed Dickson 43 rec, 453 yards, 3TD
2006:
Dante Rosario 42 rec, 426 yards, 1TD
2005:
Tim Day 25 rec, 215 yards, 1TD
Dante Rosario 15 rec, 168 yards, 2TD
2004:
Tim Day 35 rec, 457 yards, 8TD
Dante Rosario 25 rec, 278 yards, 6TD
2003:
Tim Day 23 rec, 318 yards, 3TD
Dante Rosario 12 rec, 131 yards, 3TD
2002:
George Wrighster 41 rec, 568 yards, 6TD
2001:
Justin Peelle 29 rec, 425 yards, 8TD

Washington
2011:
Austin Seferian Jenkins 36, 480, 6TD
2010:
None over 100
2009:
Kavario Middleton 26, 257, 3
2008:
Michael Gottlieb 15, 197, 1
2007:
Michael Gottlieb 12, 136
2006:
None over 100 yards
2005:
Robert Lewis 14, 162, 1
2004:
Joe Toledo (4th round as OL) 19, 202, 2
2003:
Jon Lyon 17, 231, 0
2002:
Kevin Ware 42, 462, 5
2001:
Kevin Ware 7, 102, 0
Jerramy Stevens (1st round pick)
Alex Homes 20, 150, 2

Yeah, "historical facts" was the wrong thing to say. I guess the point I was trying to convey was I've always felt our awesome TEs aren't used enough. This seems to transend coaches, QBs, OLs and TEs; so it's hard ascribe it to conspiracy or ineptitude. Nice job on the stat comparison. I wonder what Arizona or Stanfords would look like though

dd10snoop28 wrote:

nehalem wrote:

thomas time wrote:From espn
Tight end Jalen Cope-Fitzpatrick took an official visit to Oregon over the weekend and said he learned a great deal about the Ducks and their offense.

“I really liked the visit a lot,” Cope-Fitzpatrick said. “I heard rumors that they don’t use the tight end much but nothing could be further from the truth. Oregon always has a good tight end and they’re a big focal point of the offense. You watch the highlights on ESPN and you see the long touchdowns runs and throws, but their tight ends get a lot of love.

“David Paulsen is a great player and he’s graduating. They only have one other guy on the roster so the depth chart looks great. I think the high point for me though was just meeting the people of Oregon. Everyone I met and I mean everyone was great to me. I even loved the guys at airport security in the Eugene airport. The fans are incredible and I got along great with all the players on the team, it was just a really good visit.”

Probably won't get him but maybe an outside chance, at least we used our tight ends for him.

Dead silence from C4Q board on those bolded statements. I just hope he doesn't go back and look at historical stats for the TE position. On the bright side, we can show a long track record of putting tight ends into the pros. Hope we get him.

What do you mean? Our historical stats at TE are very good.... Just take a look at them compared to say..... Washington!

Oregon
2011:
David Paulson 40 rec, 400 yards, 6TD
2010:
David Paulson 24 rec, 418 yards, 4TD
2009:
Ed Dickson 42 rec, 551 yards, 6TD
2008:
Ed Dickson 35 rec, 508 yards, 3TD
2007:
Ed Dickson 43 rec, 453 yards, 3TD
2006:
Dante Rosario 42 rec, 426 yards, 1TD
2005:
Tim Day 25 rec, 215 yards, 1TD
Dante Rosario 15 rec, 168 yards, 2TD
2004:
Tim Day 35 rec, 457 yards, 8TD
Dante Rosario 25 rec, 278 yards, 6TD
2003:
Tim Day 23 rec, 318 yards, 3TD
Dante Rosario 12 rec, 131 yards, 3TD
2002:
George Wrighster 41 rec, 568 yards, 6TD
2001:
Justin Peelle 29 rec, 425 yards, 8TD

Washington
2011:
Austin Seferian Jenkins 36, 480, 6TD
2010:
None over 100
2009:
Kavario Middleton 26, 257, 3
2008:
Michael Gottlieb 15, 197, 1
2007:
Michael Gottlieb 12, 136
2006:
None over 100 yards
2005:
Robert Lewis 14, 162, 1
2004:
Joe Toledo (4th round as OL) 19, 202, 2
2003:
Jon Lyon 17, 231, 0
2002:
Kevin Ware 42, 462, 5
2001:
Kevin Ware 7, 102, 0
Jerramy Stevens (1st round pick)
Alex Homes 20, 150, 2

Actually Paulson had 28 386 5 in 2011 per Goducks.com

I think the point we all make with our jokes about "Milk Carton TEs" is that those guys were all capable of doubling those numbers with ease if we make them a priority. Part of the logic behind that is that if you start at TE for Oregon, you end up going to the NFL. That's also why it is so frustrating to look at Rob Gronkowski and Ed. Ed is capable of all of those same things, but Flacco never makes it a priority. Same when both were in college. Gronk was the UA receiving game.

We all talk about how the 07 offense was probably the most lethal of Chips offenses, and a large part of that was the vertical passing game. Think about this for a minute, Ed had 1 more catch that year as a SO in a season where he wasn't even a primary focus and to top it off, that is the most receptions by a TE in a season over the last decade! By his SR year, he was the best receiving threat we had on the team and while his yards and tds improved, we didn't go to him that much. Personally, I think more double TE sets this year and going forward are needed. Against defenses that bring their safeties up to run Cover 0, the TEs can torch them all day with their size and speed.

I really hope our emphasis on going to DP wasn't to shine for Fitzpatrick though, because going in I figured we might see more from our TEs

From the sound of things today, JFP is very likely to stick w/his USC commit.

Personally I think Pharaoh Brown looks like the better TE, esp from a receiving standpoint. Hope we can get him.

thomas time wrote:From espn
Tight end Jalen Cope-Fitzpatrick took an official visit to Oregon over the weekend and said he learned a great deal about the Ducks and their offense.

“I really liked the visit a lot,” Cope-Fitzpatrick said. “I heard rumors that they don’t use the tight end much but nothing could be further from the truth. Oregon always has a good tight end and they’re a big focal point of the offense. You watch the highlights on ESPN and you see the long touchdowns runs and throws, but their tight ends get a lot of love.

“David Paulsen is a great player and he’s graduating. They only have one other guy on the roster so the depth chart looks great. I think the high point for me though was just meeting the people of Oregon. Everyone I met and I mean everyone was great to me. I even loved the guys at airport security in the Eugene airport. The fans are incredible and I got along great with all the players on the team, it was just a really good visit.”

Probably won't get him but maybe an outside chance, at least we used our tight ends for him.

given what he said about his visit and the people in Eugene, ill root for him wherever he goes...

thanks I care about who you root for...

jimmy12 wrote:thanks I care about who you root for...

Yeah, and your post was a total waste. Congrats!