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Pretty good take..http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.s ... dep_1.html

I actually agree with one of the comments made by a poster there:

"Don't get me wrong, I understand and agree with Altman's coaching style, but there is one thing I don't understand. If we are going to live off of guys like EJ Singler that are solid players but aren't superstars, why are we building multi-hundred million dollar arenas and raising the expectations for the program? Having hustle players is great and they may help you pull an upset in the NCAA tourney, but we aren't going to win any championships without superstar players"




That might have worked at Creighton, but it's not going to work at Oregon in the pac-12. I don't want guys with ego's like Brown and Barron on the team, but there has to be other top talent out there that will actually sign and stick with the ducks. Hopefully Artis is one of them.

duckgrad99 wrote:I actually agree with one of the comments made by a poster there:

"Don't get me wrong, I understand and agree with Altman's coaching style, but there is one thing I don't understand. If we are going to live off of guys like EJ Singler that are solid players but aren't superstars, why are we building multi-hundred million dollar arenas and raising the expectations for the program? Having hustle players is great and they may help you pull an upset in the NCAA tourney, but we aren't going to win any championships without superstar players"




That might have worked at Creighton, but it's not going to work at Oregon in the pac-12. I don't want guys with ego's like Brown and Barron on the team, but there has to be other top talent out there that will actually sign and stick with the ducks. Hopefully Artis is one of them.

That makes no sense. He didn't even recruit EJ Singler. He recruited Brown who was supposed to be a superstar. It's not his fault the kid has issues. And he also landed Artis. So as far as I can tell, Altman is doing his best to recruit superstar players and players who can help us win championships.

That comment is slightly ignorant imo.

"The rumors most of us are hearing (and I believe these to be true) are that both Brown and Barron were not happy with their roles on the team. Altman acknowledged as much last night with Brown, saying that all of Brown's injuries (he dealt with concussions and had hurt his knee) had forced him to miss practice, therefore decreasing his playing time."

I should've known better than to read this. She doesn't even get the player right that had the injuries.

i posted this on educk today. nobody responded to it, which either means i'm so right nothing additional needed to be added, or i'm so off base i embarrassed myself.

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i will say this:

i like coach altman very much. i think he's the right guy for this job. he's an excellent coach.

however, i don't believe he fits the culture of today's aau circuit. i am by no means an expert on creighton's program, but from what i do know, and based on his two years here, he's 100% team-oriented, and doesn't give a hoot about an individual player's minutes, stat line, or ego. naturally, this conflicts greatly with the aau atmosphere of major college basketball, where it's all about your minutes, your stat line, and your ego.

this is not a bad thing for oregon. he is just going to need to be careful who he brings into the program. i do not know jabari brown the person, and i apologize if i step on any toes, but from what i do know he very much sounds like a kid brought up in the aau system and what dana altman preaches every day was undoubtedly a foreign concept. altman runs a structured, tight ship, and this is probably the first time in jabari brown's life he's ever been in an offense that did not cater specifically to him.

not all aau kids are like this. there are several team-oriented, team-first kids in the aau circuit right now that would be great fits for oregon. we just have to do a better job weeding out the kids who will be problems. kids expecting to come in and score 20 ppg from day one are likely going to be very disappointed. players who come in and expect to start when they don't have a good command of their defensive assignments are going to be very disappointed.

this was altman's first big class at a major conference school. it'll be a learning curve for everyone.

oregontrack wrote:i posted this on educk today. nobody responded to it, which either means i'm so right nothing additional needed to be added, or i'm so off base i embarrassed myself.

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i will say this:

i like coach altman very much. i think he's the right guy for this job. he's an excellent coach.

however, i don't believe he fits the culture of today's aau circuit. i am by no means an expert on creighton's program, but from what i do know, and based on his two years here, he's 100% team-oriented, and doesn't give a hoot about an individual player's minutes, stat line, or ego. naturally, this conflicts greatly with the aau atmosphere of major college basketball, where it's all about your minutes, your stat line, and your ego.

this is not a bad thing for oregon. he is just going to need to be careful who he brings into the program. i do not know jabari brown the person, and i apologize if i step on any toes, but from what i do know he very much sounds like a kid brought up in the aau system and what dana altman preaches every day was undoubtedly a foreign concept. altman runs a structured, tight ship, and this is probably the first time in jabari brown's life he's ever been in an offense that did not cater specifically to him.

not all aau kids are like this. there are several team-oriented, team-first kids in the aau circuit right now that would be great fits for oregon. we just have to do a better job weeding out the kids who will be problems. kids expecting to come in and score 20 ppg from day one are likely going to be very disappointed. players who come in and expect to start when they don't have a good command of their defensive assignments are going to be very disappointed.

this was altman's first big class at a major conference school. it'll be a learning curve for everyone.

People may jump on me for this, but I think if DA had been in Eugene at the time, Kevin Love and Kyle Singler become Ducks. Granted, its not worth discussing but I think they are both excellent examples of guys who would fit in perfectly for Oregon and DA.

IMO, FWIW, I believe that Artis, a pure PG, may likely be a far more important piece in the Duck basketball program than either Brown or Barron.

If he has the commitment to stick it out and develop his game with DA, the sky is the limit, and experience should show Duck fans how incredibly important a quality PG is to any program.

If Altman had been here say, a month earlier, some of the attrition which has occurred may have been averted, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

Duck07 wrote:

oregontrack wrote:i posted this on educk today. nobody responded to it, which either means i'm so right nothing additional needed to be added, or i'm so off base i embarrassed myself.

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i will say this:

i like coach altman very much. i think he's the right guy for this job. he's an excellent coach.

however, i don't believe he fits the culture of today's aau circuit. i am by no means an expert on creighton's program, but from what i do know, and based on his two years here, he's 100% team-oriented, and doesn't give a hoot about an individual player's minutes, stat line, or ego. naturally, this conflicts greatly with the aau atmosphere of major college basketball, where it's all about your minutes, your stat line, and your ego.

this is not a bad thing for oregon. he is just going to need to be careful who he brings into the program. i do not know jabari brown the person, and i apologize if i step on any toes, but from what i do know he very much sounds like a kid brought up in the aau system and what dana altman preaches every day was undoubtedly a foreign concept. altman runs a structured, tight ship, and this is probably the first time in jabari brown's life he's ever been in an offense that did not cater specifically to him.

not all aau kids are like this. there are several team-oriented, team-first kids in the aau circuit right now that would be great fits for oregon. we just have to do a better job weeding out the kids who will be problems. kids expecting to come in and score 20 ppg from day one are likely going to be very disappointed. players who come in and expect to start when they don't have a good command of their defensive assignments are going to be very disappointed.

this was altman's first big class at a major conference school. it'll be a learning curve for everyone.

People may jump on me for this, but I think if DA had been in Eugene at the time, Kevin Love and Kyle Singler become Ducks. Granted, its not worth discussing but I think they are both excellent examples of guys who would fit in perfectly for Oregon and DA.

I'm just going to say that DA has a lot to prove before I could go with a statement like that.

woundedknees wrote:IMO, FWIW, I believe that Artis, a pure PG, may likely be a far more important piece in the Duck basketball program than either Brown or Barron.

If he has the commitment to stick it out and develop his game with DA, the sky is the limit, and experience should show Duck fans how incredibly important a quality PG is to any program.

If Altman had been here say, a month earlier, some of the attrition which has occurred may have been averted, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

I completely agree... but we still have a lot of holes to fill before we can compete at a high level.

Boom wrote:

woundedknees wrote:IMO, FWIW, I believe that Artis, a pure PG, may likely be a far more important piece in the Duck basketball program than either Brown or Barron.

If he has the commitment to stick it out and develop his game with DA, the sky is the limit, and experience should show Duck fans how incredibly important a quality PG is to any program.

If Altman had been here say, a month earlier, some of the attrition which has occurred may have been averted, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

I completely agree... but we still have a lot of holes to fill before we can compete at a high level.

Namely getting some guards/wings that can actually score, restocking the post depth after this year, and get some experience. People are now saying we won't see any real program progress until year 5-6 now when before it was about year 3-4. Not having any young players to really build the roster of the future for is really the most troubling aspect of this team. To fill the roster, DA is going to have to rely on a huge FR class and several JCs, which is not exactly the basis for hope of any short-term success.

Seems like Altman had problems at Creighton keeping players as well. Hopefully this isn't a long-term trend and the basketball program never turns around.

http://eye-on-college-basketball.blogs. ... 6/33598206

Are the sources in that article as good as those of the BFT?

The Oregon football team has had a lot of players transfer since Chip took over as well. I don't think that reflects poorly upon Chip. Transfers are just magnified in basketball due to the smaller roster size.

Duck07 wrote:

oregontrack wrote:i posted this on educk today. nobody responded to it, which either means i'm so right nothing additional needed to be added, or i'm so off base i embarrassed myself.

**

i will say this:

i like coach altman very much. i think he's the right guy for this job. he's an excellent coach.

however, i don't believe he fits the culture of today's aau circuit. i am by no means an expert on creighton's program, but from what i do know, and based on his two years here, he's 100% team-oriented, and doesn't give a hoot about an individual player's minutes, stat line, or ego. naturally, this conflicts greatly with the aau atmosphere of major college basketball, where it's all about your minutes, your stat line, and your ego.

this is not a bad thing for oregon. he is just going to need to be careful who he brings into the program. i do not know jabari brown the person, and i apologize if i step on any toes, but from what i do know he very much sounds like a kid brought up in the aau system and what dana altman preaches every day was undoubtedly a foreign concept. altman runs a structured, tight ship, and this is probably the first time in jabari brown's life he's ever been in an offense that did not cater specifically to him.

not all aau kids are like this. there are several team-oriented, team-first kids in the aau circuit right now that would be great fits for oregon. we just have to do a better job weeding out the kids who will be problems. kids expecting to come in and score 20 ppg from day one are likely going to be very disappointed. players who come in and expect to start when they don't have a good command of their defensive assignments are going to be very disappointed.

this was altman's first big class at a major conference school. it'll be a learning curve for everyone.

People may jump on me for this, but I think if DA had been in Eugene at the time, Kevin Love and Kyle Singler become Ducks. Granted, its not worth discussing but I think they are both excellent examples of guys who would fit in perfectly for Oregon and DA.

Kevin Love was never going to come to Oregon. And I say that from a personal standpoint. Love was going to the NBA and wanted the biggest city with the quickest way to get there, and that was never going to be Eugene. I'm not familiar enough with the Singler situation to comment on that though.

Edit: I'm saying this with animosity towards Love, not trying to jump on you. He is a douchebag in its truest form and I would never want him affiliated to this school.

gogreen55 wrote:The Oregon football team has had a lot of players transfer since Chip took over as well. I don't think that reflects poorly upon Chip. Transfers are just magnified in basketball due to the smaller roster size.

That's because it's common for a few players to transfer every year in football.

That's not the case in basketball.