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Cavs get:
Steve Johnson

Raptors get:
Garris
Cavs 85 first

Accept.. Wasnt going to resign Steve so figured Id get something for him

Uh. Why so fast?
I just logged in to this since yesterday afternoon and you have posted a trade block for him and accepted an offer in about 12 hours.
This is the type of player you'd get multiple offers for.

Hell I'll give you my first this year. It's better than the Cavs.
I hate being veto guy, but..... Veto

Would I really get a better offer if I waited? I got a first and a young player with 3 years left on his rookie deal. Maybe I am undervaluing Johnson then

duckyoubeavers wrote:Would I really get a better offer if I waited? I got a first and a young player with 3 years left on his rookie deal. Maybe I am undervaluing Johnson then

Hard to know when half the league doesn't even know he's available

True perhaps I was a tad impatient..

He had his entire roster posted up for the entire season on the block and even bumped it so anyone could’ve inquired even before he specifically mentioned he needed to deal Johnson

Also Johnson and Garris have similar PPG and Rebounding numbers. Johnson obviously is the better defender and player but he’s also on a contract year versus Garris who’s got 3 years left at a cheap salary. Then add in a first rounder. Are we really talking veto?

Haha.
Who really thought Johnson was available?
He specifically said "Mitchell"

I didn’t realize it was a rule you had to explicitly spell out that someone was available to trade them.

Haha you played hardball with Eaton early in the year I didn’t think that you would be this trigger happy with Johnson

Lets all calm down, his trade block has been known for the whole season, just b/c he didnt specifically call out Johnson, thats on you for not inquiring.

As for value, if you truly werent going to resign him whatever the price may have been, then atleast you got something in return vs. nothing.

However, you need to sit on that asset (Johnson) until a deal comes along that will help you moving forward with a rebuild and not just something that honestly will be a mid to late 1st (unless something crazy happens and Cavs start to tank) and a late first rotation player.

Even if you are undervaluing Johnson like you say, you would start to acquire his true value by just waiting for offers/reaching out to hungry GM's looking to make a splash and getting a better return than snapping at the first offer that comes in.

When you look at the landscape of PF's in this league (not counting players playing down to PF), Johnson is one of three PF's who has at least B inside, B+ defense and B+ rebounding. That right there should tell you his value and position in the league.

For example, I was very interested in Johnson but felt what I could offer would be below his value (contract year also complicates things to a degree) so I didnt bother reaching out and wasting your time but it turns out what I thought was a low ball offer would have been a better haul for you IMO.

Now for the trade itself, this isnt close to veto worthy b/c: the better player is being traded by a "tanking" team and I cant veto trades of teams who dont get enough value back for their rebuild or I would veto 70% of trades. If Johnson was heading to lets say, the Grizzlies, then it would be veto worthy as there is not guarantee Johnson is resigning and they are giving up a top 4 pick to get better for 60 games? Thats where the veto comes in where the trade makes no logical sense and it could severely destroy a franchise in the long term for really no gain.

Lesson for all GM's: just b/c you are not going to resign a talent or want to deal a player, have patience and wait for the right deal to come along than being trigger happy b/c you arent keeping that player in the long term. You hamper yourself for future deals and in the long run, it wont help you in a rebuild by getting marginal assets n return.

All things being said, very good value for Cavaliers (GM's do your due diligence for teams looking to trade, dont be salty afterwards you didnt get a deal) if he resigns and the Raptors can lean on Ransey in their rebuild with hopefully a top 4 pick or this trade will look worse.

In hindsight, I definitely rushed it. Was sort of panicking about losing him for nothing. Lesson learned

Oregon Ownage wrote:Lets all calm down, his trade block has been known for the whole season, just b/c he didnt specifically call out Johnson, thats on you for not inquiring.

As for value, if you truly werent going to resign him whatever the price may have been, then atleast you got something in return vs. nothing.

However, you need to sit on that asset (Johnson) until a deal comes along that will help you moving forward with a rebuild and not just something that honestly will be a mid to late 1st (unless something crazy happens and Cavs start to tank) and a late first rotation player.

Even if you are undervaluing Johnson like you say, you would start to acquire his true value by just waiting for offers/reaching out to hungry GM's looking to make a splash and getting a better return than snapping at the first offer that comes in.

When you look at the landscape of PF's in this league (not counting players playing down to PF), Johnson is one of three PF's who has at least B inside, B+ defense and B+ rebounding. That right there should tell you his value and position in the league.

For example, I was very interested in Johnson but felt what I could offer would be below his value (contract year also complicates things to a degree) so I didnt bother reaching out and wasting your time but it turns out what I thought was a low ball offer would have been a better haul for you IMO.

Now for the trade itself, this isnt close to veto worthy b/c: the better player is being traded by a "tanking" team and I cant veto trades of teams who dont get enough value back for their rebuild or I would veto 70% of trades. If Johnson was heading to lets say, the Grizzlies, then it would be veto worthy as there is not guarantee Johnson is resigning and they are giving up a top 4 pick to get better for 60 games? Thats where the veto comes in where the trade makes no logical sense and it could severely destroy a franchise in the long term for really no gain.

Lesson for all GM's: just b/c you are not going to resign a talent or want to deal a player, have patience and wait for the right deal to come along than being trigger happy b/c you arent keeping that player in the long term. You hamper yourself for future deals and in the long run, it wont help you in a rebuild by getting marginal assets n return.

All things being said, very good value for Cavaliers (GM's do your due diligence for teams looking to trade, dont be salty afterwards you didnt get a deal) if he resigns and the Raptors can lean on Ransey in their rebuild with hopefully a top 4 pick or this trade will look worse.

Ouch team always being used as the worst team we will be back!!

duckyoubeavers wrote:In hindsight, I definitely rushed it. Was sort of panicking about losing him for nothing. Lesson learned

No worries, at least you're keeping it real.