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More meaningless platitudes.pezsez1 wrote:If anyone ever needs a bunch of sound bites taken out of context and overlayed with right-wing messaging, that's how it's done!
No, it wasn't. That was the narrative pushed by right-wing politicians & their media in order to keep their gullible followers in line with Donald Trump's unfathomable stupidity.That is the exact narrative used to upend our country
I'm the only one who posted video and none of those are "sound bites" nor are they taken out of context because it's their uninterrupted words.pezsez1 wrote:If anyone ever needs a bunch of sound bites taken out of context and overlayed with right-wing messaging, that's how it's done!
April 30, 2020
Oregon’s Plan to Stop the Spread of COVID-19
https://www.opb.org/article/2021/08/19/ ... in-oregon/The statewide teachers union, the Oregon Education Association, issued a statement in support of the plan.
“OEA believes that today’s vaccine requirement will help provide stability for our students this fall and will help improve safety in our schools,” OEA president Reed Scott-Schwalbach said in a statement. “The science is clear. Vaccines, coupled with other proven public health mitigation strategies, are the best way to ensure our schools stay open and are a safe place for students to learn and for educators to teach.”
The state’s largest nurses union warned in a statement that the governor’s mandate is likely to result in a boost in vaccination rates, but also will prompt some health care workers to leave the profession because they are “deeply opposed to vaccine mandates.”
The Oregon Nurses Association said the vaccination requirement will “put additional pressure on an already dangerous nurse staffing crisis in Oregon.”
The ONA, while encouraging nurses and hospital staff to get vaccinated, has long stood against mandatory vaccinations. The ONA “opposes requiring influenza vaccinations of nurses and other health care workers as a condition of employment,” reads an ONA statement on influenza vaccinations.
Since the new goalpost is "dead in its tracks" I present you Dr Fauci, via CNN on 7/24/2020pezsez1 wrote:Nowhere in those quotes you just posted did anyone say the vaccine would stop COVID "dead in its tracks."
Health officials never claimed that. Only right-wing politicians & pundits who were trying to take health experts out of context in order to discredit them said that.
I have no desire to go back-and-forth over this with people who are clearly stuck in three-year-old talking points (which seems to be most people in this community), but you can still dislike COVID-era safety measures without buying into that BS narrative.
Here's another variation of with "dead end" on 5/21/2021Consistent public health measures can control the coronavirus pandemic, but a good vaccine “could really stop it dead in its tracks,” Dr. Anthony Fauci said on Fox’s America’s Newsroom Friday.
“If we can do the kind of public health measures to keep the viral outbreak at a very low baseline level, I don’t think we are going to eradicate it, I think it’s just so easily transmissible that I don’t think that that could happen, but we certainly could control it better than we’re doing,” Fauci said.
“And if we can do that at the global level, when we get a vaccine I think we could really stop it dead in its tracks.”
Fauci said that he is cautiously optimistic that a vaccine will be available in a reasonable time — “likely by the end of this year or the beginning of 2021.”
But sure, tell us again how those public officials didn't make those statements that were completely wrong in hindsight.“When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community,” Fauci said. “In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere. And that’s when you get a point that you have a markedly diminished rate of infection in the community.”
Appreciate you backing off from the rhetoric, but health officials also did not promise that vaccines would stop the spread of COVID (which would be the same as saying "stopping it in its tracks").Semantics, Pez. I was being slightly hyperbolic, and only meant that the vaccine was supposed to stop the spread of COVID. Which everyone else in this thread managed to grasp.
Straw man. Creating an argument that hasn't been presented in this thread in order to try to bolster your own.pezsez1 wrote:I clearly disagree immensely with you on the premise that vaccines cost lives rather than saved them (if that is, in fact, what you're asserting) but I have no interest in arguing that further.
You have a mountain of direct quotes to overcome in order to "set the record straight". It's not really up for debate. And of course, you didn't address any of the actual direct quotes (except in one instance).My only point in responding today was setting the record straight on the medical/scientific community's messaging, which isn't really up for debate.
Not sure why I should be pleased about that. The fact that you ever held such a position is demonstration of a lack of conviction of values in the face of public coercion (i.e. you bought the false narrative that it was the unvaccinated that were causing the deaths in America). The Rolovich's and Djokovic's, on the other hand, held true to their convictions in the face demonization and threats. There is a chasm of a difference.Also, perhaps you'll be pleased to know that if I ever did bluntly say that the unvaccinated deserved to die (I think I probably said they had it coming, which, to me, is semantically different), as of today I don't think most of them deserved such an awful fate.
That's the only incorrect thing I said. Otherwise, my past comments aged extremely well! Not bad for commenting on an all-new virus and the first massive pandemic of our lifetime. Thank you for displaying how correct I was."We'll always have anti-vaxers, so we'll always have COVID."
And no, I'm under ZERO obligation to "correct" a mountain of out-of-context soundbites so that y'all can peacefully get back to your little circle-jerk. Just pretend I'm not here and get on with it.You have a mountain of direct quotes to overcome in order to "set the record straight".
