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Question for the forum and those who know better than I. Do you think player development will improve, decline, or stay the same under the new coaching regime?

spacefrog13x wrote:Question for the forum and those who know better than I. Do you think player development will improve, decline, or stay the same under the new coaching regime?

My personal opinion, improve. I think this is the one area where Mario was egregiously deficient.

No change overall. Depends on position.

Also, a lot of bad scouting often gets credited to good development, like when a 2* becomes all-conference. That muddies the picture.

lmduck wrote:

spacefrog13x wrote:Question for the forum and those who know better than I. Do you think player development will improve, decline, or stay the same under the new coaching regime?

My personal opinion, improve. I think this is one of the many areas where Mario was egregiously deficient.

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Even a 15% improvement over MC would be good. Look how he had no idea what to do with his QBs.

nogerO wrote:

lmduck wrote:

spacefrog13x wrote:Question for the forum and those who know better than I. Do you think player development will improve, decline, or stay the same under the new coaching regime?

My personal opinion, improve. I think this is one of the many areas where Mario was egregiously deficient.

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Good one Noger!


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In the Twitter spaces tonight there was some discussion about how Mario’s stubborn grind it out mentality was starting to suck the life out of the program. And the new staff has completely changed the feeling around the program. A much more fun atmosphere but also an increased intensity because of the excitement of everyone. That alone could lead to a pretty significant jump in performance of players.

StevensTechU wrote:No change overall. Depends on position.

Also, a lot of bad scouting often gets credited to good development, like when a 2* becomes all-conference. That muddies the picture.

I agree on the scouting often times being erroneously credited to development.

Over the last 20+ years the only schools that have consistently and significantly outperformed their recruiting rankings to such an outlier degree that it can’t be ignored are Wisconsin and Virginia Tech. Which is now not as pronounced due to VA Tech being bad and Wisconsin recruiting better. They might have also taken advantage of the poor scouting of Midwest kids (Wisconsin) and of the glut of quality recruits in the DMV and mid Atlantic area by Va Tech.

I think it will be a wash - gain a better coach at one spot, lose one at another. Maybe someone like Donte Manning needs a coach that can teach the basics better, while someone like Noah Sewell can benefit from someone who can hone in on the tiny details more.

dthomas=ddixon wrote:In the Twitter spaces tonight there was some discussion about how Mario’s stubborn grind it out mentality was starting to suck the life out of the program. And the new staff has completely changed the feeling around the program. A much more fun atmosphere but also an increased intensity because of the excitement of everyone. That alone could lead to a pretty significant jump in performance of players.

Mario brought energy to the program. He taught everyone that you can recruit to Eugene. He brought. toughness and grit. Saying that it's now better is a little premature. Sure there is energy and excitement and anticipation, but hope is a powerful thing. I am excited by on the wait and see mode. I am judging less on what is being said in Eugene and more about what is being shown in Miami. Why has he been unable to hire? Is this the most telling?

I may have contradicted myself.... Let's wait and see.

jimmy12 wrote:

dthomas=ddixon wrote:In the Twitter spaces tonight there was some discussion about how Mario’s stubborn grind it out mentality was starting to suck the life out of the program. And the new staff has completely changed the feeling around the program. A much more fun atmosphere but also an increased intensity because of the excitement of everyone. That alone could lead to a pretty significant jump in performance of players.

Mario brought energy to the program. He taught everyone that you can recruit to Eugene. He brought. toughness and grit. Saying that it's now better is a little premature. Sure there is energy and excitement and anticipation, but hope is a powerful thing. I am excited by on the wait and see mode. I am judging less on what is being said in Eugene and more about what is being shown in Miami. Why has he been unable to hire? Is this the most telling?

I may have contradicted myself.... Let's wait and see.

Both things can be true. Cristobal saved us by stepping in after Taggart left, and established something fantastic things within the program. Toughness and grit only get you so far though, and just grinding without a quality plan leads to burnout.

dthomas=ddixon wrote:

jimmy12 wrote:

dthomas=ddixon wrote:In the Twitter spaces tonight there was some discussion about how Mario’s stubborn grind it out mentality was starting to suck the life out of the program. And the new staff has completely changed the feeling around the program. A much more fun atmosphere but also an increased intensity because of the excitement of everyone. That alone could lead to a pretty significant jump in performance of players.

Mario brought energy to the program. He taught everyone that you can recruit to Eugene. He brought. toughness and grit. Saying that it's now better is a little premature. Sure there is energy and excitement and anticipation, but hope is a powerful thing. I am excited by on the wait and see mode. I am judging less on what is being said in Eugene and more about what is being shown in Miami. Why has he been unable to hire? Is this the most telling?

I may have contradicted myself.... Let's wait and see.

Both things can be true. Cristobal saved us by stepping in after Taggart left, and established something fantastic things within the program. Toughness and grit only get you so far though, and just grinding without a quality plan leads to burnout.

For all Cristobal’s talk about toughness and grit, they sure lacked it against Utah. Mario is an smart guy. He did some good things, but saw that he wasn’t good enough to get over the hump. He struck while the iron was hot, knowing that next time Miami had an opening he wouldn’t be so hot of a commodity.
Remember, those in the know said that the only school Cristobal would leave for was Alabama when Saban retired. Miami was never in the picture, which is why so many of us were in denial when a Miami poster came on and told us about the pieces in motion. In 2019 when Miami had an opening he didn’t even consider it. He was laser focused on Bama or staying at Oregon. In 2021 Cristobal realized his limitations and knew he wouldn’t get Alabama, so he left for more money and a fresh start, which buys him a few years.

DuckMastaFunk wrote:

dthomas=ddixon wrote:

jimmy12 wrote:

dthomas=ddixon wrote:In the Twitter spaces tonight there was some discussion about how Mario’s stubborn grind it out mentality was starting to suck the life out of the program. And the new staff has completely changed the feeling around the program. A much more fun atmosphere but also an increased intensity because of the excitement of everyone. That alone could lead to a pretty significant jump in performance of players.

Mario brought energy to the program. He taught everyone that you can recruit to Eugene. He brought. toughness and grit. Saying that it's now better is a little premature. Sure there is energy and excitement and anticipation, but hope is a powerful thing. I am excited by on the wait and see mode. I am judging less on what is being said in Eugene and more about what is being shown in Miami. Why has he been unable to hire? Is this the most telling?

I may have contradicted myself.... Let's wait and see.

Both things can be true. Cristobal saved us by stepping in after Taggart left, and established something fantastic things within the program. Toughness and grit only get you so far though, and just grinding without a quality plan leads to burnout.

For all Cristobal’s talk about toughness and grit, they sure lacked it against Utah. Mario is an smart guy. He did some good things, but saw that he wasn’t good enough to get over the hump. He struck while the iron was hot, knowing that next time Miami had an opening he wouldn’t be so hot of a commodity.
Remember, those in the know said that the only school Cristobal would leave for was Alabama when Saban retired. Miami was never in the picture, which is why so many of us were in denial when a Miami poster came on and told us about the pieces in motion. In 2019 when Miami had an opening he didn’t even consider it. He was laser focused on Bama or staying at Oregon. In 2021 Cristobal realized his limitations and knew he wouldn’t get Alabama, so he left for more money and a fresh start, which buys him a few years.

The level of toughness and grit went down each year as more of the players became Mario's recruits. This year's team did show toughness and grit...against weaker teams. CMC also preached about controlling the line, which they were only able to do against weaker and/or less talented teams.

The Mario's support team was smart like Lincoln Riley's, and saw the steepening hill ahead and took advantage of other opportunities while they still had alot of hype and pull.