Career Stats-By-Teams Shenanigans

[The Bean Regime]

No points here, just thought that this would be fun to do after updating my career totals excel file (available here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true ). I’m going to look at every teams’ leaders in each of the 5 basic categories and list their total in that category followed by their career per-game numbers in brackets next to it. And then also have games played with their total games played for the team followed by seasons on the team in the brackets.. So if GOAT Scottie Pippen was the Wolve’s points leader in another life, it would look something like:

Points: Scottie Pippen (59806, 39.6), with point totals being followed by PPG in the bracket

As for goat contenders, it’ll mainly take career stats on the team into account, but also if the player is still on the team they may be considered even if the totals are low compared to their peers. Only requirements are the player plays at least half-as-many seasons played for the team as the team’s leader, and that the player has signed with the team post-rookie-contract (resigned or signing), as that’s the most-likely point where the team loses the player if they're a potential team-goat.

And here it all is:

Atlantic Division
Boston Celtics:
Games: Byron Scott (743, 10)
Points: Byron Scott (16232, 21.8)
Rebounds: Benoit Benjamin (3785, 9.5)
Assists: Byron Scott (3559, 4.8)
Steals: Byron Scott (1688, 2.3)
Blocks: Benoit Benjamin (994, 2.5)
Goat contenders: Byron Scott

Miami Heat
Games: Mark Aguirre (647, 8)
Points: Joe Barry Carroll (10043, 21.7)
Rebounds: Joe Barry Carroll (5365, 11.6)
Assists: Terry Porter (4579, 8.1)
Steals: Terry Porter (1318, 2.3)
Blocks: Joe Barry Carroll (1985, 4.3)
Goat contenders: Joe Barry Carroll

New Jersey Nets
Games: Mitchell Jordan (568, 7)
Points: Mitchell Jordan (10246, 18.0)
Rebounds: Vladimir Tkachenko (3208, 8.3)
Assists: Mitchell Jordan (4515, 7.9)
Steals: Mitchell Jordan (1364, 2.4)
Blocks: Ben Coleman (836, 2.9)
Goat contenders: Mitchell Jordan, Drazen Petrovic

New York Knicks
Games: Clark Kellogg (800, 10)
Points: Clark Kellogg (14258, 17.8)
Rebounds: Clark Kellogg (6770, 8.5)
Assists: Danny Young (3088, 4.3)
Steals: Clark Kellogg (1169, 1.5)
Blocks: Bill Walton (1771, 2.2)
Goat contenders: Clark Kellogg

Orlando Magic
Games: Danny Vranes (577, 9)
Points: Pooh Richardson (5643, 15.1)
Rebounds: Roy Hinson (3137, 7.9)
Assists: Pooh Richardson (2911, 7.8)
Steals: Danny Vranes (712, 1.2)
Blocks: Roy Hinson (659, 1.7)
Goat contenders: Pooh Richardson

Philadelphia 76ers
Games: Moses Malone (730, 9)
Points: Moses Malone (23483, 32.2)
Rebounds: Moses Malone (8883, 12.2)
Assists: Reggie Theus (2530, 4.4)
Steals: Reggie Theus (1260, 2.2)
Blocks: Moses Malone (1572, 2.2)
Goat contenders: Moses Malone

Toronto Raptors
Games: Kelvin Ransey (996, 13)
Points: Kelvin Ransey (12311, 12.4)
Rebounds: Mark Eaton (4648, 9.8)
Assists: Kelvin Ransey (7763, 7.8)
Steals: Kelvin Ransey (2021, 2.0)
Blocks: Mark Eaton (1393, 2.9)
Goat contenders: Kelvin Ransey


Central Division
Atlanta Hawks
Games: Sam Bowie (695, 9)
Points: Sam Bowie (11831, 17.0)
Rebounds: Sam Bowie (8069, 11.6)
Assists: Trent Tucker (2214, 4.1)
Steals: Sam Bowie (866, 1.2)
Blocks: Manute Bol (1016, 3.2)
Goat contenders: Sam Bowie, Trent Tucker



Charlotte Hornets
Games: David Greenwood (786, 11)
Points: Jack Sikma (11462, 24.9)
Rebounds: David Greenwood (6992, 8.9)
Assists: Maurice Cheeks (2031, 6.4)
Steals: Reggie Lewis (756, 1.6)
Blocks: Rik Smits (1497, 3.7)
Goat contenders: David Greenwood, Jack Sikma, Rik Smits

Chicago Bulls
Games: Isiah Thomas (940, 12)
Points: Isiah Thomas (15762, 16.8)
Rebounds: Greg Cadillac Anderson (3988, 8.3)
Assists: Isiah Thomas (7640, 8.1)
Steals: Isiah Thomas (2543, 2.7)
Blocks: John Salley (970, 1.9)
Goat contenders: Isiah Thomas

Cleveland Cavaliers
Games: Derek Harper (699, 9)
Points: Hakeem Olajuwon (15823, 22.7)
Rebounds: Hakeem Olajuwon (6980, 10.0)
Assists: Derek Harper (5801, 8.3)
Steals: Derek Harper (1098, 1.6)
Blocks: Hakeem Olajuwon (2727, 3.9)
Goat contenders: Hakeem Olajuwon

Detroit Pistons
Games: Karl Malone (639, 8)
Points: Magic Johnson (12455, 19.7)
Rebounds: Karl Malone (5979, 9.4)
Assists: Magic Johnson (5086, 8.0)
Steals: Magic Johnson (1680, 2.7)
Blocks: Eric Leckner (555, 1.5)
Goat contenders: Magic Johnson

Indiana Pacers
Games: Kermit Washington (570, 7)
Points: David Robinson (9543, 20.9)
Rebounds: David Robinson (4938, 10.8)
Assists: Mark Jackson (3206, 6.8)
Steals: Mark Jackson (919, 2.0)
Blocks: David Robinson (1904, 4.2)
Goat contenders: David Robinson

Milwaukee Bucks
Games: Rick Mahorn (473, 6)
Points: Bill Cartwright (7300, 17.9)
Rebounds: Bill Cartwright (3786, 9.3)
Assists: Mookie Blaylock (2538, 7.8)
Steals: Mike Bratz (732, 2.0)
Blocks: Rick Mahorn (552, 1.2)
Goat contenders: Bill Cartwright, Mookie Blaylock

Washington Bullets
Games: Brad Daugherty (567, 7)
Points: Brad Daugherty (10829, 19.1)
Rebounds: Brad Daugherty (5512, 9.7)
Assists: Muggsy Bogues (1943, 4.7)
Steals: Mitch Richmond (631, 1.6)
Blocks: Brad Daugherty (851, 1.5)
Goat contenders: Brad Daugherty, Mitch Richmond


Midwest Division
Dallas Mavericks
Games: Mike Mitchell (563, 7)
Points: Mike Mitchell (8848, 15.7)
Rebounds: Patrick Ewing (3415, 8.8)
Assists: Lafayette Lever (4816, 8.8)
Steals: Lafayette Lever (1202, 2.2)
Blocks: Patrick Ewing (731, 1.9)
Goat contenders: Lafayette Lever

Denver Nuggets
Games: Charles Barkley (627, 8)
Points: Adrian Dantley (10543, 26.4)
Rebounds: Charles Barkley (7165, 11.4)
Assists: Adrian Dantley (1690, 4.2)
Steals: Charles Barkley (841, 1.3)
Blocks: Charles Barkley (1685, 2.7)
Goat contenders: Charles Barkley, Adrian Dantley

Houston Rockets
Games: Tom Chambers (564, 7)
Points: Tom Chambers (9349, 16.6)
Rebounds: Tom Chambers (3672, 6.5)
Assists: Ennis Whatley (2648, 5.6)
Steals: Ennis Whatley (707, 1.5)
Blocks: Robert Parish (588, 1.8)
Goat contenders: Tom Chambers, Robert Parish

Minnesota Timberwolves
Games: Mark McNamara (767, 10)
Points: Mark McNamara (7784, 10.1)
Rebounds: Mark McNamara (6806, 8.9)
Assists: Norm Nixon (3190, 7.2)
Steals: Norm Nixon (899, 2.0)
Blocks: Mark McNamara (998, 1.3)
Goat contenders: Mark McNamara, Junior Bridgeman

Phoenix Suns
Games: Billy McKinney (387, 5)
Points: Sean Elliott (5158, 19.3)
Rebounds: Deion St John (2558, 6.7)
Assists: Kenny Smith (2701, 8.4)
Steals: Billy McKinney (720, 1.9)
Blocks: Deion St John (802, 2.1)
Goat contenders: Sean Elliott, Kenny Smith, Dennis Johnson

San Antonio Spurs
Games: James Worthy (813, 10)
Points: James Worthy (13604, 16.7)
Rebounds: James Worthy (5855, 7.2)
Assists: Johnny Davis (2775, 7.0)
Steals: James Worthy (1048, 1.3)
Blocks: Melvin Turpin (1547, 4.0)
Goat contenders: James Worthy, Hersey Hawkins, Jerome Lane

Utah Jazz
Games: Roberto Brunamonti (932, 12)
Points: Roberto Brunamonti (16187, 17.4)
Rebounds: Roberto Brunamonti (4559, 4.9)
Assists: Leon Wood (5557, 7.9)
Steals: Roberto Brunamonti (2288, 2.5)
Blocks: Michael Cage (840, 1.5)
Goat contenders: Roberto Brunamonti, Leon Wood

Pacific Division
Golden State Warriors
Games: Cliff Robinson (488, 6)
Points: Danny Manning (9379, 23.3)
Rebounds: Cliff Robinson (4721, 9.7)
Assists: John Paxson (1600, 5.1)
Steals: Cliff Robinson (586, 1.2)
Blocks: Cliff Robinson (814, 1.7)
Goat Contenders: Danny Manning

Los Angeles Clippers
Games: Michael Brooks (806, 10)
Points: Jim Brogan (10165, 14.9)
Rebounds: James Edwards (5397, 8.6)
Assists: Jim Brogan (5053, 7.4)
Steals: Jim Brogan (1349, 2.0)
Blocks: James Edwards (1058, 1.7)
Goat contenders: Jim Brogan

Los Angeles Lakers
Games: Dominique Wilkins (578, 8)
Points: Darrell Griffith (11087, 24.3)
Rebounds: Larry Smith (5693, 11.3)
Assists: Larry Drew (2112, 6.3)
Steals: Darrell Griffith (1058, 2.3)
Blocks: Larry Smith (658, 1.3)
Goat contenders: Dominique Wilkins, Darrell Griffith

Portland Trailblazers
Games: Michael Jordan (642, 8)
Points: Michael Jordan (17123, 26.7)
Rebounds: Michael Jordan (3681, 5.7)
Assists: Michael Jordan (2137, 3.3)
Steals: Michael Jordan (1673, 2.6)
Blocks: Jessie Samake (1122, 2.3)
Goat contenders: Michael Jordan

Sacramento Kings
Games: Jim Paxson (664, 9)
Points: Oscar Schmidt (14339, 22.2)
Rebounds: Oscar Schmidt (5534, 8.6)
Assists: Vinnie Johnson (3026, 5.3)
Steals: Oscar Schmidt (1504, 2.3)
Blocks: Joe Barry Carroll (1184, 2.9)
Goat contenders: Oscar Schmidt

Seattle Supersonics
Games: Alex English (469, 6)
Points: Alex English (9375, 20.0)
Rebounds: Alex English (3181, 6.8)
Assists: Johnny Dawkins (2116, 8.6)
Steals: Darrell Griffith (708, 2.4)
Blocks: Kevin Willis (411, 1.3)
Goat contenders: Darrell Griffith

Vancouver Grizzlies
Games: Brad Sellers (401, 5)
Points: Magic Johnson (7548, 19.3)
Rebounds: Ralph Sampson (3516, 11.6)
Assists: Magic Johnson (3722, 9.5)
Steals: Magic Johnson (1208, 3.1)
Blocks: Ralph Sampson (1031, 3.4)
Goat contenders: Magic Johnson, Ralph Sampson

And then a few fun miscellaneous stats at the end!
Team with the most unique leaders: Charlotte Hornets (5)
Players with considerations on multiple teams: Magic Johnson (Pistons, Grizzlies) and Darrell Griffith (Lakers, Supersonics)

And the highest/lowest games played and averages for each category:

Games: Kelvin Ransey (Raptors, 996) and Billy McKinney (Suns, 387)

PPG: Moses Malone (76ers, 32.2) and Mark McNamara (Timberwolves, 10.1)

RPG: Moses Malone (76ers, 12.2) and Roberto Brunamonti (Jazz, 4.9)

APG: Magic Johnson (Grizzlies, 9.5) and Michael Jordan (Trailblazers, 3.3)

SPG: Magic Johnson (Grizzlies, 3.1) and Danny Vranes, Sam Bowie, and Cliff Robinson (3 teams, 1.2)

BPG: Joe Barry Carroll (Heat, 4.3) and Rick Mahorn (Bucks, 1.2)

And finally, the best teams I could muster from each division's goat contenders, with at most 1 player from each team.

Atlantic Divison:
C: Moses Malone (76ers)
PF: Joe Barry Carroll (Heat)
SF: Drazen Petrovic (Nets)
SG: Byron Scott (Celtics)
PG: Kelvin Ransey (Raptors)
6th: Clark Kellogg (Knicks)
7th: Pooh Richardson (Magic)

Central Divison:
C: David Robinson (Pacers)
PF: Hakeem Olajuwon (Cavaliers)
SF: Mitch Richmond (Bullets)
SG: Isiah Thomas (Bulls)
PG: Magic Johnson (Pistons)
6th: Trent Tucker (Hawks)
7th: Rik Smits (Hornets)
8th: Mookie Blaylock (Bucks)

Midwest Divison:
C: Robert Parish (Rockets)
PF: Charles Barkley (Nuggets)
SF: Jerome Lane (Spurs)
SG: Roberto Brunamonti (Jazz)
PG: Lafayette Lever (Mavericks)
6th: Sean Elliott (Suns)
7th: Mark McNamara (Timberwolves)

Pacific Divison:
C: Ralph Sampson (Grizzlies)
PF: Danny Manning (Warriors)
SF: Oscar Schmidt (Kings)
SG: Michael Jordan (Trailblazers)
PG: Jim Brogan (Clippers)
6th: Darrell Griffith (Supersonics)
7th: Dominique Wilkins (Lakers)

Team rankings: Pacific>Atlantic>>Central>>>>>Midwest (not my fault! Lololol)

[offtheheezy]

Dr. J gotta be in consideration for Suns I feel not his fault DASL started with him being old af . B2b champs with him

[The Bean Regime]

Dr. J gotta be in consideration for Suns I feel not his fault DASL started with him being old af . B2b champs with him

Hah I felt like the Suns had someone really good but I couldn't remember who it was.

But I don't have his stats so f*** him. Scrub

[Marzeial]

This is an easy +5 even if it isn't for point since its a super fun article to dig through

[lukeyrid13]

Super cool idea

[800wins]

Do the T-Wolves not keep anyone ? Look like sad team Goats there

[The Bean Regime]

Do the T-Wolves not keep anyone ? Look like sad team Goats there

Hey hey hey, I won't allow Bridgeman slander. He peaked very similar to Drexler but a bit better since his FG% was considerably better and TOs much lower.

I'm probably one of the teams with the highest average-length tenure for players (maybe I'll look at that). Just that I picked last in the creation draft and then let the scrub go in the following FA (Birdsong, 17.9 PPG and B- defense as #1. To his credit, he immediately improved to like 22 and B+ D next season but whatever ), and while my later picks tend to be decent, my top-end picks weren't very good (Tripucka, Pippen, Marciulionis).

And then finally Charles Smith would have easily been goated (thanks Bucks), but I traded him.

[offtheheezy]

Do the T-Wolves not keep anyone ? Look like sad team Goats there

Pups tend to have an obsession with mediocre players

[The Bean Regime]

Ok, so I did look at it. I averaged the # of seasons a player plays for a team (more than or equal to 2 seasons. Didn't want to count 1-season rentals) as well as the total number of players that were in the data set for each team. Then I added the number of 1-year rentals for each team just for fun, though sophomores naturally are gonna be on the list, like Shaq for the Suns. Here it is (don't need to download it): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true

The rankings are:
Descending for season average, with a higher rank showing more stability overall.
Ascending for player count, with a higher rank showing more stability in volume.
Ascending for 1-year rental count, with a higher rank showing stability in volume again. The latter 2 should mirror each other I expect.

So reading the data for a few teams:

Clippers are nuts. #1 in season average and #1 in 1-year rentals. If they acquire someone, they'll be stuck in Clipper purgatory for several seasons.

Bulls are similar, with a high season average (#6), a low player count (#5), and a below-average # of 1-year rentals (#8). A long-term, plentiful core with small changes annually.

I show a little different results. I'm #4 in season average, but #1 with the least amount of players in the count and a moderately-high number of 1-year rentals (#23). So I seem to be more open to trying new players, but if a player makes it past season 1 they're stuck with me.

Grizzlies have a very low season average (#28) but a very low player count (#1) and the highest 1-year rental rate (#29). They have a small core that hasn't been around too long while the surrounding pieces are constantly adjusted.

Nets have shown success with a very-low season average (#25), a below-average player count (#10), and a high # of 1-years (#25). Similar to the Grizzlies, but a bit more likely to hold on to a player past 1-season.

Overall, the teams inclined to hold onto players the longest are the Clippers, Knicks, Timberwolves, Bulls, Jazz, and Spurs in no particular order.

Meanwhile, the teams least-inclined to do so are the Grizzlies, Suns, Trailblazers, Nets, and Supersonics, again unordered.

Right in the middle are probably the 76ers, Mavericks, Pistons, and Pacers.

But for the most part, the numbers aren't THAT different from one another.

[duckyoubeavers]

s/o to ransey