Florida resident indicted by NY DA

[dd10snoop28]

And what is this thing you keep bringing up about deporting American citizens? I have seen no such thing.

Regardless, even if there was one such case, where was your outrage when there were 20+ million people that crossed our border the last 5 years? If say you are concerned about the destruction of things, so where is your concern about 20mill illegals coming into America?

[dd10snoop28]

Hamas was founded by Netanyahu and Israel has refused to allow elections in Palestine since.

If you want to focus on just Hamas that's fine but it still doesn't grant any country the right to collective punishment and arguing that bombing civilians in another country through the use of the pager attacks doesn't lead to more safety but less.

Arguing on behalf of Zionist Israel is an insane position for any person of morals.

"Morals".

.... if you are a person of such high morals, you would be vested in removing all said illegals from the U.S., yet here you are complaining about some alleged us citizen (s?) being deported while remaining silent on thousands of criminals and warlords running the streets of America and leading to hundred of thousands of drug-related deaths.

Spare everyone your moral posturing.

[dd10snoop28]

Hamas was founded by Netanyahu and Israel has refused to allow elections in Palestine since.

If you want to focus on just Hamas that's fine but it still doesn't grant any country the right to collective punishment and arguing that bombing civilians in another country through the use of the pager attacks doesn't lead to more safety but less.

Arguing on behalf of Zionist Israel is an insane position for any person of morals.

wait... so Netanyahu is killing all of the leaders/members of the group he created? lol. I'm willing to look into most conspiracy theories, but so far your stances on this topic are so slanted that I know that the research will show otherwise.

Also, phrases such as "Zionist Israel" doesn't add the value to your argument that you think it does....u seem to think that these two words strung together represent some evil organization, and this justifies Hamas/Hezbollah to do whatever they want (including terrorism). Outrageous view with conspirtorial historical backing.

Your arguments fall apart upon the most simple analysis....
1 - you say that Hamas has the right to terrorize Israel ? How? in what world? the only way u can justify that is to prop up a revisionist framing a "zionist Israel" which is some mythic evil organization on par with the islamist military groups. That seems to be your stance. An awful one. And not nearly close to reality. Study the effects of islam on the world. The sets of values between Israel vs. islamist nations is worlds apart....this is easy to demonstrate. Do you think that an Islamic nation would allow 20% of jews to live in their nation? absolutely not.

2- you say even if Israel is terrorized by Hamas (or another other islamist group), they should be restricted in how they respond....and if their enemy is hiding under schools/hospitals, then too bad for Israel.... deal with the mass-murder of your citizens! How?

and somehow you think that killing of leaders of Hezbollah will "lead to more violence"? Oh, I thought it was the 1000's of rockets sent by those Hezbollah leaders into civilian areas that was the violent thing...I must be wrong tho??

[Duck07]

Collective Punishment is absolutely wrong but this isn't going anywhere if you feel that bombing hospitals is acceptable because you might kill a "terrorist." It's a terrible pathology to think such violence will ever lead to peace.

[dd10snoop28]

Collective Punishment is absolutely wrong but this isn't going anywhere if you feel that bombing hospitals is acceptable because you might kill a "terrorist." It's a terrible pathology to think such violence will ever lead to peace.

Israel responding to a terrorist attack with peace/inaction will never lead to peace. in fact, it would lead to the opposite. It would empower all of the islamic nations to accomplish their ultimate goal.

do you not understand that these islamic militant groups have it as their mission to eradicate Israel/jews? you must, but you willfully ignore it.

the "peace" you speak of will never exist based on the ideological values that are inherent islam. that's the reality whether you like it or not.

[dd10snoop28]

Collective Punishment is absolutely wrong but this isn't going anywhere if you feel that bombing hospitals is acceptable because you might kill a "terrorist." It's a terrible pathology to think such violence will ever lead to peace.

Your moral posturing is wild bro. Especially after you said that Hamas was rightfully defending itself against occupation on Oct 7th.

[Duck07]

Collective Punishment is absolutely wrong but this isn't going anywhere if you feel that bombing hospitals is acceptable because you might kill a "terrorist." It's a terrible pathology to think such violence will ever lead to peace.

Your moral posturing is wild bro. Especially after you said that Hamas was rightfully defending itself against occupation on Oct 7th.

It's a lawful act for an occupied or enslaved group of people to use violence against their oppressors.

That you are unable to discern State action from Individual action on this is apparently where the disconnect comes from.

[dd10snoop28]

got me there

[Phalanx]

It's a lawful act for an occupied or enslaved group of people to use violence against their oppressors.

Such 'lawful acts' will keep adding fuel to the wars forever.

There is zero excuse for what those parachutists did to defenseless women and children. Bombing the wrong target is one thing, but personally killing, kidnapping, raping, and parading around dead bodies is a whole other thing. I can agree that Israel's response to these attacks is always over the top and oddly/coincidentally fulfilling Zionist goals, but Dude, you cannot say that what Hamas did was in any way a lawful act. That's a non-starter for me and I imagine most civilized people.

As for Netanyahu founding Hamas, I have heard this before. It might be true, but what I suspect is that Hamas is like the P.L.O. in that Israeli recognition is what put them into power. It doesn't mean they were 'founded' by Israel, but that is how they derived their consequence. It's a little too dark for me to believe that Netanyahu actually wanted those people killed like some kind of inside job.

[dd10snoop28]

someone educate me on what zionism means, and why it is a bad thing.

[dd10snoop28]

It's a lawful act for an occupied or enslaved group of people to use violence against their oppressors.

Such 'lawful acts' will keep adding fuel to the wars forever.

There is zero excuse for what those parachutists did to defenseless women and children. Bombing the wrong target is one thing, but personally killing, kidnapping, raping, and parading around dead bodies is a whole other thing. I can agree that Israel's response to these attacks is always over the top and oddly/coincidentally fulfilling Zionist goals, but Dude, you cannot say that what Hamas did was in any way a lawful act. That's a non-starter for me and I imagine most civilized people.

As for Netanyahu founding Hamas, I have heard this before. It might be true, but what I suspect is that Hamas is like the P.L.O. in that Israeli recognition is what put them into power. It doesn't mean they were 'founded' by Israel, but that is how they derived their consequence. It's a little too dark for me to believe that Netanyahu actually wanted those people killed like some kind of inside job.

I contest that it doesn't even matter whether the conspiracy about Bibi is true or not.

The underlying problem with this conflict cuts much deeper.

Israel does not need to create organizations that oppose themselves (Israeli jews)....why do I say that? because there is no shortage in demand of people who are intent on destroying this specific group of people that reside within a specific region.

You can destroy Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, Ayatollah....doesn't matter. The ideology of Islam remains and will pass down to the next generation.

[Phalanx]

someone educate me on what zionism means, and why it is a bad thing.

I mean, you could just look up the Wiki article, so I assume you are asking for an opinion. My own is that Zionism is a largely atheistic movement by hereditary Jews, beginning in the late 1800's to resettle an area that Jews/ Israelis as a nation occupied from circa 1400-B.C. to 70 A.D. It's understandable that they would want their own homeland, given how they were treated as a scattered people. The way they went about making it happen seems pretty problematic to me though. They appealed to religion when it suited them, despite having little themselves, until it became a saying that "Zionists don't believe in God, but they believe He gave them Israel". They also used terrorism when nothing else would work. Bombs in mailboxes of British leaders was a favorite tactic. It is of note, at least to me, that many Orthodox Jews have never accepted the Jewish state and are still waiting for God to restore them to the land as per prophecy. They did not view the Zionist movement as being of God, so they didn't join.

In the course of regaining a legal foothold in the land, they made a lot of promises to the existing residents regarding coexistence and territory boundaries. All the while, their philosophical goal has been to regain the land roughly equivalent to David's Kingdom circa 1000 B.C. So every time there is a war with the surrounding nations (such as in 1967) or with the Palestinians, Israel ends up with more land than they had before, or more settlements on what was previously reckoned Palestinian territory. Every time Palestinians send a rocket into Israeli territory, Netanyahu responds by building another Israeli settlement. It has changed with varying leaders over time - they gave Sinai back to Egypt for instance in the early 80's in exchange for recognition of their statehood - but the policy trend is pretty clear, with Palestinian territory diminishing over time. And now they have destroyed Gaza, a city that never even belonged to the ancient Israelites. Trump is even now trying to get Egypt and Jordan to take Gazans and who knows if they would ever get back to Gaza again. The 300k Palestinians who fled to Jordan during the Six Day war in 1967 are still there as far as I know.

Anyway, hope that helps.

[dd10snoop28]

ok, but what is the goal(s) of the "zionist / zionism" that you said that they are "oddly/accidentally" fulfilling ?

is it the land? is it the eradication of the Palestinians? important to nail this down...

[Phalanx]

The slogan of Zionism was "A land without a people for a people without a land". So the land is a pretty central goal, and the Palestinian people have always been regarded as an obstacle to securing it. Of course there are factions within Zionism with varying degrees of zeal. Some favor a peaceful coexistence with Palestinians, and some would like to stamp them out. I mentioned that the early leaders were mostly atheists (or 'secular'), but after generations of religious Jews making aaliyah, the culture is inundated with religious thought, much like the American South is full of cultural Christianity. There are Jews who would very much like to remove the Dome of the Rock and rebuild the Jewish Temple on that site according to the description in the book of Ezekiel. The Muslim world insists that is their third holiest site though, so to tear it down would be to invite an all-out war. Other more secular Jews are just interested in preserving the culture, restoring Hebrew as a spoken language, maintaining a strong military, etc.

My comment about the goals of Zionism being coincidentally fulfilled refers to what I described above: the taking of land after each battle, the building of settlements after each Palestinian rocket. Netanyahu never lets a good attack go to waste. I don't think he can just take Gaza outright though. Its long history as a Philistine (Palestinian) city makes it rather central to Palestinian territorial claims. I suspect this is why Trump was toying with the idea of the U.S. running it to take the heat off of Israel. Haven't heard much on that lately though.

[dd10snoop28]

While it is true that "Palestine" is derived from the ancient people group referred to as the Philistines, there is no affiliation between the two.

The Philistines as an ethnic group have not been in existence for thousands of years.

Hadrian renamed the region formally known as "Judea" to be "Palestine" seemingly out of spite towards the Jews, knowing that the Philistines had historically been enemies of theirs going back to 1000 B.C.

So the modern-day Palestianians (who are Arabs) have no affiliation with the ancient Philistines other that they currently occupy the same region as the philitsines (like many other groups in history).

Just an FYI as a matter of history.