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[Duck07]

When duck07 implies that Israel should take the high-road after October 7th, that perspective ignores the history of the Jews and Arabs, which is directly tied to the religions.

Do you know what Israel was doing on Oct 6? The people of Gaza had been illegally occupied for almost 20 years at that point and nobody in the international community cared that they had been treated like actual slaves. Turn the power and water off whenever they want to collectively punish 2 million people and blame it all on Hamas, as if that is somehow an acceptable form of governance for a State to have over a group of its "people." Mind you, Palestinians don't have the same rights that Israeli's do even though they live in the same country.

If your Grandparents were forced off of their lands violently and you had grown up knowing nothing but being treated like a slave in Gaza, how would you react? Would you blame Hamas or would you blame the Israeli government for how you were treated? Do you believe that is an acceptable way to treat a group of people?

What about Oct 7th was so shocking for you? Was it the Hannibal Doctrine being used where Israeli helicopters unloaded their entire arsenals killing the majority of their own people in response? Was it when they lied about 40 beheaded babies, mass rapes and claiming that they would never bomb a hospital or use one as a military base?

This seems like a pretty pointless thing to continue after I had DM'ed you telling you I was done with it, but your understanding of the history of the Jews and Arabs is obviously more tied to the history of Zionists and Arabs than the other way around.

Do the Jewish Professors at all these US colleges really hate themselves to say that Israel is committing a Genocide? Or is it possible that there are many Jews who find the behavior of the Zionist government both abhorrent and a threat to their own safety/existence in response the sheer death and mayhem they've wrought since the Nakba and especially since Oct 7th in response?

The truth is that the more you read about everything before Oct 7th, the more you understand why Oct 7th happened and why everything afterwards is beyond gross and disgusting. That we continue to pay for it in a literal sense only continues our standing as the worlds largest terrorist state. No other way around it, we're an awful society to continue to allow this to happen and instead gloat about all the war crimes we commit every day.

[Phalanx]

Ackman, as usual, is light on specifics and heavy on platitudes and a belief in his holy emperor.

I would focus on whatever crypto you think they're going to use to replace the Dollar, because they can't go back to a previous world order/era and that's how they're selling this to Joe Q. Public while knowing the long-term destruction has already been wrought.

There is already the issue that we sanction 1/3 of all countries and now we're betting that we're somehow going to be seen as a better trade partner than China; who actually has all of the manufacturing and has just made in response to this, a major agreement with Japan and South Korea to respond jointly.

Meanwhile we will boost a few classic American manufacturing jobs, like bomb making! We're desperately short of artillery and what better way to stimulate the economy than through a rise in war spending! (Rubio announced we're upping the Military Budget so that we can continue to bolster NATO on top of another 9B for Israel to bomb kids and additional spending!)

This is a good overview from a Mises Institute writer.

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Ackman actually makes some decent points. You can dismiss them out of hand if you want to, whatever. If Trump is able to achieve actual free trade with Europe out of this (as Musk is indicating is the goal) it will affect generations to come. Seems like it's worth a shot, and only lame-duck Trump has the stones to try it. I'm willing to wait and see if it works.

[Duck07]

Ackman actually makes some decent points. You can dismiss them out of hand if you want to, whatever. If Trump is able to achieve actual free trade with Europe out of this (as Musk is indicating is the goal) it will affect generations to come. Seems like it's worth a shot, and only lame-duck Trump has the stones to try it. I'm willing to wait and see if it works.

There's also the issue that the POTUS has zero Tariff authority whatsoever and that power is vested with Congress.

[Phalanx]

Ackman actually makes some decent points. You can dismiss them out of hand if you want to, whatever. If Trump is able to achieve actual free trade with Europe out of this (as Musk is indicating is the goal) it will affect generations to come. Seems like it's worth a shot, and only lame-duck Trump has the stones to try it. I'm willing to wait and see if it works.

There's also the issue that the POTUS has zero Tariff authority whatsoever and that power is vested with Congress.

Well, I went all the way to the RNC trying to get Ron Paul elected in 2012, but they all wanted Romney, so this is what we have. The President does Congress's job, the courts are trying to do the President's job, and Congress doesn't even write its own bills, so not sure what they are doing anymore. I still think it might be beneficial to achieve free trade with Europe.

[Duck07]

I still think it might be beneficial to achieve free trade with Europe.

Trump already blew up 1 US/EU trade agreement during his first term so using Mafia-style tactics to force a new agreement doesn't sound wise. The barriers between trade between the US and the EU are already low and this is an absurd way of trying to go about making that area even smaller, while at the same time forcing the rest of the world to go to China for its stability.

It's a dumb strategy that is going to hurt the poor and middle-class not just here but everywhere.

[jBeavertonduck]

Ackman actually makes some decent points. You can dismiss them out of hand if you want to, whatever. If Trump is able to achieve actual free trade with Europe out of this (as Musk is indicating is the goal) it will affect generations to come. Seems like it's worth a shot, and only lame-duck Trump has the stones to try it. I'm willing to wait and see if it works.

There's also the issue that the POTUS has zero Tariff authority whatsoever and that power is vested with Congress.

Well, I went all the way to the RNC trying to get Ron Paul elected in 2012, but they all wanted Romney, so this is what we have. The President does Congress's job, the courts are trying to do the President's job, and Congress doesn't even write its own bills, so not sure what they are doing anymore. I still think it might be beneficial to achieve free trade with Europe.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/how ... -president

[dd10snoop28]

When duck07 implies that Israel should take the high-road after October 7th, that perspective ignores the history of the Jews and Arabs, which is directly tied to the religions.

Do you know what Israel was doing on Oct 6? The people of Gaza had been illegally occupied for almost 20 years at that point and nobody in the international community cared that they had been treated like actual slaves. Turn the power and water off whenever they want to collectively punish 2 million people and blame it all on Hamas, as if that is somehow an acceptable form of governance for a State to have over a group of its "people." Mind you, Palestinians don't have the same rights that Israeli's do even though they live in the same country.

If your Grandparents were forced off of their lands violently and you had grown up knowing nothing but being treated like a slave in Gaza, how would you react? Would you blame Hamas or would you blame the Israeli government for how you were treated? Do you believe that is an acceptable way to treat a group of people?

What about Oct 7th was so shocking for you? Was it the Hannibal Doctrine being used where Israeli helicopters unloaded their entire arsenals killing the majority of their own people in response? Was it when they lied about 40 beheaded babies, mass rapes and claiming that they would never bomb a hospital or use one as a military base?

This seems like a pretty pointless thing to continue after I had DM'ed you telling you I was done with it, but your understanding of the history of the Jews and Arabs is obviously more tied to the history of Zionists and Arabs than the other way around.

Do the Jewish Professors at all these US colleges really hate themselves to say that Israel is committing a Genocide? Or is it possible that there are many Jews who find the behavior of the Zionist government both abhorrent and a threat to their own safety/existence in response the sheer death and mayhem they've wrought since the Nakba and especially since Oct 7th in response?

The truth is that the more you read about everything before Oct 7th, the more you understand why Oct 7th happened and why everything afterwards is beyond gross and disgusting. That we continue to pay for it in a literal sense only continues our standing as the worlds largest terrorist state. No other way around it, we're an awful society to continue to allow this to happen and instead gloat about all the war crimes we commit every day.

This is just a regurgitation of historical events based on your slanted viewpoint.

You never address the fact Israel is surrounded by Islamist countries bent on wiping out their existence. What other ethnic/religious group is surrounded by nations that are intent on wiping them out? Seems like a pretty important fact that is excluded from the revisionist historical account.

I may dm you a response at some point but I'm also done with the Israel/Palestine discussion .

[dd10snoop28]

I just don't understand the criticisms of the global economic realignment that Trump is seemingly trying to achieve / implement.

How can you not see that our previous trajectory was leading to a sure economic and financial collapse, and likely decoupling of world economies from the USD as the global reserve currency? All of the same factors that precipitated the fall of the Dutch and British empires (highly leveraged, extreme spending, extreme debt/deficits, overextended militaries etc...) are what we are seeing in America the last 20 years, and has continued to get worse during every single administration.

All of our institutions that are supposed to prop up the American worker have actively worked against them for multiple decades. We need a significant battering ram to the system.

The tariffs are part of a larger shift in global economic strategy. Will it work? I'm doubtful, but it's a million times better than keeping the status quo and facing a guaranteed collapse of America as the world economic/financial power.

[dd10snoop28]

None of that is substantive argument for/against the tariffs being applied...

Anyone who has taken Econ 101 should understand how ignorant one would be to think that running a trade deficit with another country is implicitly bad/negative or that using that as a basis for establishing Tariff Rates is reasonable in any way.

Econ 102 would be able to tell you that as. Global Reserve Currency our National Debt means very little and actually requires us to run a trade deficit in order to induce Countries to set their currency to ours.

We are going to revitalize China as a result of this and continue to alienate Europe while making it even more difficult for USA Made products to be sold internationally, which will only help plunder US Manufacturing.

But hey, the ultra rich will do just fine so it must be good overall, right?

You've created a straw man and torn him down, all the while insulting everyone's presumed low levels of intelligence.

China's rise is due in part to its rise as the global leader in manufacturing the essential goods that are needed for most countries. We've outsourced our key manufacturing industries to other countries due in part to our own policies (Clinton), which has led to us becoming a financial/monetary global powerhouse, but also has led to a a great imbalance in our ability to produce things domestically. it's usually a sign of a world power being on its last legs,when the manufacturing/innovativeness begins to dwindle and great reliance is placed on its ability to exert power throughout financial superiority.....of course, we continue to abuse our place as the financial powerhouse of the world with overuse of sanctions, fiscal irresponsibility, and political turmoil. Part of Trump's plan (may work; may not) is to do as much as he can to bring back manufacturing to make us competitive with China.

As far as revitalizing China, we can't do much worse than the last 20 years, can we?

As far as creating wealth imbalance, we can't do much worse than the last 20 years, can we?

[StevensTechU]

I stay away from the issue of Palestine and Israel because I find it f'ing hopeless, but seeing today that a 14 year old American was killed by the IDF for throwing stones along with two other teenagers who were shot. If this was in Iran or China, there'd be hell to pay, but with Israel it'll just be water under the bridge.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-wes ... ee-killed/

[dd10snoop28]

None of that is substantive argument for/against the tariffs being applied...

Anyone who has taken Econ 101 should understand how ignorant one would be to think that running a trade deficit with another country is implicitly bad/negative or that using that as a basis for establishing Tariff Rates is reasonable in any way.

Econ 102 would be able to tell you that as. Global Reserve Currency our National Debt means very little and actually requires us to run a trade deficit in order to induce Countries to set their currency to ours.

We are going to revitalize China as a result of this and continue to alienate Europe while making it even more difficult for USA Made products to be sold internationally, which will only help plunder US Manufacturing.

But hey, the ultra rich will do just fine so it must be good overall, right?

Also, I must have missed in my Econ 102 class where they said that $37 trillion dollars of debt "means nothing" because of our global reserve status.

[dd10snoop28]

I stay away from the issue of Palestine and Israel because I find it f'ing hopeless, but seeing today that a 14 year old American was killed by the IDF for throwing stones along with two other teenagers who were shot. If this was in Iran or China, there'd be hell to pay, but with Israel it'll just be water under the bridge.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-wes ... ee-killed/

Ya, this sounded really bad until I actually read the article. The article says that they were throwing stones AT cars driving on the road.

That's a lot different than "throwing stones" without specifying where they were throwing the stones.

[Duck07]

Also, I must have missed in my Econ 102 class where they said that $37 trillion dollars of debt "means nothing" because of our global reserve status.

Certainly losing that status will make the national debt more important but you weren't worried about it the last time he was POTUS nor his current disregard for the Rule of Law of previous existing trade agreements. He ripped up the last one with the EU when he was in office and the mafia style tactics don't lead to good faith actors of any kind of confidence in the US as a fair trading partner, let alone a "free-trade" partner.

[Duck07]

I stay away from the issue of Palestine and Israel because I find it f'ing hopeless, but seeing today that a 14 year old American was killed by the IDF for throwing stones along with two other teenagers who were shot. If this was in Iran or China, there'd be hell to pay, but with Israel it'll just be water under the bridge.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-wes ... ee-killed/

Ya, this sounded really bad until I actually read the article. The article says that they were throwing stones AT cars driving on the road.

That's a lot different than "throwing stones" without specifying where they were throwing the stones.

I know that's how we deal with kids in America who do that.

This is in the West Bank too, where there has never been Hamas, but these people aren't human to you so what does it matter if they're indiscriminately slaughtered if some guys with machine guns felt threatened, right?

How about the medic's they lied about assassinating and burying the bodies and ambulances?

How many Billions has Trump given Israel in 3 months, like 17 Billion?

[dd10snoop28]

Also, I must have missed in my Econ 102 class where they said that $37 trillion dollars of debt "means nothing" because of our global reserve status.

Certainly losing that status will make the national debt more important but you weren't worried about it the last time he was POTUS nor his current disregard for the Rule of Law of previous existing trade agreements. He ripped up the last one with the EU when he was in office and the mafia style tactics don't lead to good faith actors of any kind of confidence in the US as a fair trading partner, let alone a "free-trade" partner.

What rules? Bretton Woods? WTO? These agreements were made in another lifetime and in a different world. The world powers change, and therefore you can't keep the dumbest trade policies while getting ripped off for decades on end.

Many of the previous "agreements" were made so that we would subsidize our foreign partners/allies through trade (i.e. they tariff us a ton) so that they could become economically viable (post-WW2) and in order for us to maintain military presence in their countries, as world powers do....however, this is not the same Europe of 70 years ago (Bretton)....also, it's not the same China as 30 years ago (Clinton) so you really think it makes sense to keep in place what is the dumbest trade policy for our current day?

Also, most of your posts seem to be short on any actual solutions for what is the largest problem facing the USA. Instead, you pick the low-hanging fruit of criticizing orange man without any proposed alternative.

I mean, I guess you are proposing is to keep our current trade policy as the status quo? Why? in order to not hurt the feelings of Europe? We can do a lot better.

"Certainly losing that status will make the national debt more important but you weren't worried about it the last time he was POTUS nor his current disregard for the Rule of Law of previous existing trade agreements."

Funny that you say that because the one area that current president will still get criticized for by conservatives is in relation to his actions during COVID. Specifically, that he allowed for the shut down the country (opting to heed the advice of snakes like Birx/Fauci) and the subsequent passing of the CARES act. So, no, I like many others did not support the trillions of dollars that the CARES act added to the debt.

Maybe the people that support the president aren't a monolith like you seem to think? Maybe it's because he has policies that aren't intent on destroying our country? IDK. You seem to have a low view of those people.