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I guess "hating" Ron DeSantis isn't the right description. I don't know nearly enough about the guy to dislike him that much. I strongly dislike his policies and I think his "war on woke" is completely absurd. I also really don't like his authoritarian tactics regarding punishing/demoting not only his political allies, but anyone who seems to even disagree with him.

That said, taking a few pages from the authoritarian playbook does not make one an authoritarian. I saw Trump's attack on democracy coming from miles away. With DeSantis, though, I don't see even remotely the same thing. DeSantis is more of a Mitch McConnell than a Donald Trump in that he'll flex as much power as possible within the confines of the constitution without trying to destroy it. I also can't see DeSantis doing crazy things like trying to blackmail other world leaders, appoint quack scientists to key US medical positions, bend over for Putin, repeatedly throw our intel/law enforcement under the bus, have protesters beaten for personal photo opps, etc.

pezsez1 wrote:This cultish Donald Trump ridiculousness needs to end.

dd10snoop28 wrote:
As far as all of the other things you said, a masterclass on reiterating surface-level media points.

pezsez1 wrote: He's been impeached twice (for good reason),

pezsez1 wrote:So many conspiracies, so little time.

Phalanx wrote:^^^ There is a TON of this kind of evidence out there. In addition to various FOIA requests, Ric Grenell and others de-classified bushels of info hoping, I think, that people would look into this stuff, but the majority of journalists refused to do any investigation because of their political bias. Other stuff was also made public by Julian Assange until he was arrested for, uh, something. So one has to read twitter threads like the one above or other alternative sources to find out what is going on. If one only reads the NYT or Washington Post, you are only going to get the perspective of the government and intelligence agencies.

Nobody can read the info that is out there and still hold any regard for an indictment from the Justice Department. They are corrupt and ridiculously selective in what they pursue. Typically when they accuse Trump of something, it is usually to cover up the fact that they themselves are guilty of that very thing. The impeachments are a great example. That's how one can easily tell that Pez has done no reading. When he says 'Trump was impeached with good reason', he simply has no idea what he is talking about. In Pez's mind, if the NYT prints it, it's the gospel, and anyone who disagrees is a Trump-loving rube. Information like the thread above goes right past him with zero intellectual curiosity or reflection. You might as well be trying to reason with an NPC. For Pez to do any reading or thinking would go against his programming.






It has been interesting to watch people who, like myself, were formerly vehemently opposed to Trump still recognize that he is at least exposing how corrupt our system really is. When you see dyed-in-the-wool Bernie supporters like Glenn Greenwald and Tulsi Gabbard

suddenly coming on Tucker Carlson and defending Trump, you know something weird is going on.

pezsez1 wrote:

Was it the former president that forced you to hate the current candidate?

That said, taking a few pages from the authoritarian playbook does not make one an authoritarian. I saw Trump's attack on democracy coming from miles away. With DeSantis, though, I don't see even remotely the same thing. DeSantis is more of a Mitch McConnell than a Donald Trump in that he'll flex as much power as possible within the confines of the constitution without trying to destroy it. I also can't see DeSantis doing crazy things like trying to blackmail other world leaders, appoint quack scientists to key US medical positions, bend over for Putin, repeatedly throw our intel/law enforcement under the bus, have protesters beaten for personal photo opps, etc.

dd10snoop28 wrote:There may be a pretty good chance this thing doesn't even get to the jury. The defense is going (and I think already has) to be petitioning to dismiss due to multiple instances of prosecutorial misconduct. If even a couple of those allegations are accepted by the court then I don't see this getting to the jury trial. My non expert legal analysis.

Phalanx wrote:

dd10snoop28 wrote:There may be a pretty good chance this thing doesn't even get to the jury. The defense is going (and I think already has) to be petitioning to dismiss due to multiple instances of prosecutorial misconduct. If even a couple of those allegations are accepted by the court then I don't see this getting to the jury trial. My non expert legal analysis.

Just because the jury was never told about the Presidential Records Act or the clear precedent in the Clinton sock-drawer case, I don't see what the big deal is. Trump clearly refused to surrender records that have never been demanded of any ex-president before, and he should spend the rest of his life in jail for it.

Phalanx wrote:

dd10snoop28 wrote:There may be a pretty good chance this thing doesn't even get to the jury. The defense is going (and I think already has) to be petitioning to dismiss due to multiple instances of prosecutorial misconduct. If even a couple of those allegations are accepted by the court then I don't see this getting to the jury trial. My non expert legal analysis.

Just because the jury was never told about the Presidential Records Act or the clear precedent in the Clinton sock-drawer case, I don't see what the big deal is. Trump clearly refused to surrender records that have never been demanded of any ex-president before, and he should spend the rest of his life in jail for it.