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Pac-12 - 2023 Contenders

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 7:09 am
by StevensTechU
Previewing the top half of the Pac, because Colorado, ASU, Stanford, and Cal aren't worth the typing.

USC - What was USC bad at in 2023? Well, many things, which puts into perspective how much Caleb Williams had to do to drag this team to the P12 championship game. Namely, their offensive line and defense were atrocious, and unfortunately for us Ducks, the staff was plenty aware of those shortcomings and worked to fill those holes this offseason. On the OL, USC picked up 3 starters from other programs to add to a few decent guys they had internally. Injuries could easily decimate them, but the first string should be should be solid this year. Defensively, the team got talented-but-troubled DT Bear Alexander (6'3, 300) from Georgia, former 5* DE Anthony Lucas from A&M, and productive Jack Sullivan on the line. Pretty good haul, yea? Well they also grabbed tackling machine Mason Cobb from Okie State, all P-12 CB Christian Roland-Wallace, and a talented-but-unproven Alabama transfer Trequan Fegans. Only injuries or ego can keep this team from not improving over 2023.

Oregon - How bout them Ducks? I'm a little worried, if I'm being honest. I like what we did on the recruiting trail defensively, but think we're still two years ago from those guys making a difference. In the here-and-now, we saw Bo break records behind one of the best offensive lines in the country, but this year that level of line play is highly unlikely. I'm not worried about playmakers, because there are a billion at all skill positions. I'm worried about consistent plays, which is typically rooted in a veteran group of OL. To boot, I still don't feel like we know what we have with the defensive coaches, as Lupoi and crew seemed to massively underachieve with the apparent talent on defense last year (I still don't know how Sewell got so much worse but is now apparently looking great again with the Bears...). I really like what they did in the portal in adding two starter-quality CBs and starting safety, and in adding coach Hampton. A conference title is well within reach, but I don't know that I'd put my money on it with so many positions requiring a big step forward and USC's collection of talent. But somebody's got to win it, so why not us?

washington - I sort of look at washington's team this year as a poor man's USC. They, too, were a heavily offensive team with significant defensive holes, spelling their doom in giving up 40 and 45 in losses to UCLA and Arizona State. They may have plugged some holes by getting back a healthy Bralen Trice, one of the best edges in college football, and picking up CB Jabbar Muhammad from Okie State and our very own Darren Barkins. Ralen Goforth from USC and edge Zach Durfee from some small midwestern school I can't recall (Linfield, but Minnesota's version) could also make an impact. Less of a talent infusion than USC's defense, but maybe isn't starting from as bad a place? Maybe. Offensively, they may have gotten more potent than even a year ago. They return three receivers who could be on NFL rosters in 2024, and added Daniyel Ngata from ASU, Germie Bernard from Michigan State, and Dillon Johnson from Miss State. I could truly see them being the most potent offense in the league or as low as 5th most potent, as I think much will come down to how the team gels and the offensive line comes together. But the talent is there.

Utah- Utah's the biggest mystery box for me, and probably for most folks, as the 2-time defending conference champs were selected by no media members to win the league at media days. We know that Brent Kuithe comes back from injury at tight end, and they've got a rock solid group of linebackers and safeties, with multiple NFL guys in the ranks. That said, if Cam Rising can't go to start the year, they're up s*** creek. Beyond that obvious situation, my question is for their corners and both lines. They've traditionally may their hay by dominating the line of scrimmage, but I don't know if their talent will make them more 'pesky' than 'dominant.' My gut tells me they're going to play a lot of 30-27 types of games this year, and end up in the neighborhood of "good enough to maybe win the conference but not good enough to be serious about the CFP" again.

Oregon State - The dynamic with Oregon State in 2023 is going to be whether the offense picks up more with DJU at quarterback than the defense drops off after losing two corners to the NFL and a 15th (seemingly) year senior safety graduating. The unheralded strength of the defense in 2023 was their defensive backfield, undoubtedly the best group in the Pac-12 since the washington teams that were playoff contenders. Wright and Austin are off to the NFL, Jaydon Grant has graduated, so we're going to see what the new guys are made of. Central Catholic (Portland) grad and all-conference safety Oladapo is back. I'm expecting a drop from 'exceptional' to 'fine,' personally. What expectations do I have for the offense? No change in the run game (still strong), and no idea in the pass game. There's D1 talent among the WRs, but the top playmaker at the position, Tre'Shaun Harrison, is now fighting for a roster spot with the Titans. I expect Jack Velling to make a big leap at TE to being an all-conference type of guy, but I might be a year early. Overall, Oregon State is going to be a tough out, because even if DJU sucks as bad as he did at Clemson, this will be a team that's generally solid and has no massive holes in the same way that they don't have too much that excites you, either. Well, except* for the RB Damien Martinez.

Last notes: I think Arizona and UCLA are going to duke it out for the 6th spot in the conference. I don't expect a ton out of each, but whether it's intriguing players or Charles Kelly, they've each got the capability of surprising us this season.

Re: Pac-12 - 2023 Contenders

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 7:47 am
by lmduck
Nice write up STU- couple of things to factor in, regarding OS, Omar Speights who anchored their defense last year and was all P12 transferred out to LSU. Also there have been some whispers in Corvallis that DJU MAY NOT win the starting job. Some think the dual threat guy Aiden Chiles will get the nod. Conjecture on Chiles for sure but some of the whispers are coming from people who have insights.

Agree to an extent on some of the thinking on Lupoi but I also heard some things about Sewell that gave me pause for thought. The main one being he was not the best team player last year. Some felt he was much more focused on himself and doing what he needed to do to get the attention of the NFL scouts. Heard that from multiple people close to the program. So while that may be a combination of him and Lupoi not getting him on track, I guess we have to wait and see.

Re: Pac-12 - 2023 Contenders

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 8:11 am
by alxtw
Which team has the healthiest QB1 for the entire season will win the Pac. If any of the QB1s are out for the season, no matter how much the offenses and defenses have improved from last year, its a 7-8 win season for that team.

Re: Pac-12 - 2023 Contenders

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 8:37 am
by SuperDuck
Yes, nice write up, STU.

USC will almost certainly be better. I think UW will be, too.

I think the Ducks O-Line will be fine once they've jelled. What concerns me is the lack of Tight Ends being used in the new offense. Kenny Dillingham would sometimes have 2 TEs on the field at once to help block and provide more options for Bo. I'm most concerned about the lack of protection for Nix, as well as the effect it could have in the running game.

It's one of those "wait and see" type of things. I wonder if we'll see more 2 back sets?

I think the defense will be much improved.

Re: Pac-12 - 2023 Contenders

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:33 am
by OregonFan4Life
Is anyone else concerned about Will Stein? I know Dilly checked out before the end of last season but he had a great offensive scheme overall and brought out the best in Nix, what if Stein isn’t able to recreate that and we get more old Bo? I want to be optimistic about the upcoming season but there are so many question marks. I feel like this team could be anywhere between 7-5 and 11-1, so I’ll predict in the middle and say 9-3 with losses to Washington, USC, and a dumb one like Cal or Arizona St.

Re: Pac-12 - 2023 Contenders

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:02 am
by pezsez1
I'm not too worried about Stein. I think Nix benefited greatly from a change of scenery, and maybe Dillingham helped with that, but Nix just needed to get out of his own head. I also think he's probably benefited from not facing SEC defenses most weeks.

Re: Pac-12 - 2023 Contenders

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:15 am
by buckmarkduck
OregonFan4Life wrote:Is anyone else concerned about Will Stein? I know Dilly checked out before the end of last season but he had a great offensive scheme overall and brought out the best in Nix, what if Stein isn’t able to recreate that and we get more old Bo? I want to be optimistic about the upcoming season but there are so many question marks. I feel like this team could be anywhere between 7-5 and 11-1, so I’ll predict in the middle and say 9-3 with losses to Washington, USC, and a dumb one like Cal or Arizona St.

I’ve read they aren’t really changing much, and keeping ther terminology the same. Also, most forget but Dilly had never called plays until last year. While Stein has experience calling plays, and last year his UTSA team missed a bunch of starters on the OL for the first half of the year. He basically had to flip his O, to accommodate not having the blocking needed to be successful with what he wanted to run. He seems pretty flexible and able to game plan to his personnel

Re: Pac-12 - 2023 Contenders

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:14 am
by HomeSickDuck
I think the defense should be much improved with the additions made through the portal and another year of experience for young players. I don’t see any drop off from the offense. I believe the season is going to hinge on the pressure the d-line can create and the play of linebackers. Our secondary should be improved, but it doesn’t matter how good they are if opposing QB’s have all day to throw.

Re: Pac-12 - 2023 Contenders

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:15 pm
by lmduck
buckmarkduck wrote:
OregonFan4Life wrote:Is anyone else concerned about Will Stein? I know Dilly checked out before the end of last season but he had a great offensive scheme overall and brought out the best in Nix, what if Stein isn’t able to recreate that and we get more old Bo? I want to be optimistic about the upcoming season but there are so many question marks. I feel like this team could be anywhere between 7-5 and 11-1, so I’ll predict in the middle and say 9-3 with losses to Washington, USC, and a dumb one like Cal or Arizona St.

I’ve read they aren’t really changing much, and keeping ther terminology the same. Also, most forget but Dilly had never called plays until last year. While Stein has experience calling plays, and last year his UTSA team missed a bunch of starters on the OL for the first half of the year. He basically had to flip his O, to accommodate not having the blocking needed to be successful with what he wanted to run. He seems pretty flexible and able to game plan to his personnel
Very consistent with what I heard.


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Re: Pac-12 - 2023 Contenders

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:26 pm
by GrantDuck
Good write up.

Wouldn't sleep on UCLA just because of how soft their schedule is this year and them doing major work in the portal.

Re: Pac-12 - 2023 Contenders

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 4:39 pm
by ducks5ever
Jeffrey Bassa- converted safety
Jamal Hill - converted safety
Jestin Jacobs - hybrid ILB/strong safety; hythloday has him as a strong safety and not an ILB (and he rightly shows that he has very limited tape in run support)
Connor Soelle - converted DB

Devon Jackson - no experience; not in the 2 deep?
Jerry Mixon - true freshman

The projected 2 deep consists of players who are all ex-secondary players, which might be unnatural for some of these guys. Plus, secondary players typically lack the ability to punish opposing rb's. That's pretty much my lone concern this year. Regardless how they turn out, I do think this year's defense will be a lot better. Plenty of 1st year defensive minded coaches
struggled in their first season (most likely due to wrong personnel); Saban, Swinney, Kirby Smart, Venables, [Lanning?] to name a few

Re: Pac-12 - 2023 Contenders

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 7:18 pm
by buckmarkduck
I heard Devon Jackson has looked really good all summer. I’d be shocked if he doesn’t play a ton

Re: Pac-12 - 2023 Contenders

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:56 pm
by Everythingsducky
buckmarkduck wrote:I heard Devon Jackson has looked really good all summer. I’d be shocked if he doesn’t play a top.
Dude looks a lot thicker this year. Hope he is ready to go.

Re: Pac-12 - 2023 Contenders

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:20 am
by Duck07
SuperDuck wrote: What concerns me is the lack of Tight Ends being used in the new offense. Kenny Dillingham would sometimes have 2 TEs on the field at once to help block and provide more options for Bo. I'm most concerned about the lack of protection for Nix, as well as the effect it could have in the running game.

It's one of those "wait and see" type of things. I wonder if we'll see more 2 back sets?
While at UTSA, Stein was almost exclusively in 11 personnel, so 1 RB, 1 TE and while it's likely we'll have short-yardage/goalline packages, I'd bet we'd stay in that 11 set 85% of our snaps.

Bo is a mobile QB who will face a lighter box as a result of 11 sets which I think should make it much more easier to protect him. I am not one who thinks that our amazing sack rate last year was because TJ Bass and Sala were amazing pass protectors when each is playing Guard in the NFL. The #1 reason we had the 2nd lowest sack rate was because Bo got rid of the ball so quickly - this will again be the case this year while he continues to get experienced IOL play in front of him to have a pocket to step into. Harper/JPJ and Jones all have a lot of experience and Connerly is clearly better than Jones so I go into this year with all the confidence in the world that our OL will play at a high level. JPJ has a much higher ceiling than Forsyth as 1 example and Alex played hurt for a good portion of the year.

This season to me really does come down to the Defense. If we play like the #1 D in the P12, I think we're a 1-loss P12 Champ going to the playoff at 12-1.