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cliff lee

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:06 am
by thomas time
Wow big news about the mariners getting the former cy young winner. It would be a great pickup for them. they are in the rumor mill seems like everyday. Jason Bay next maybe?

Re: cliff lee

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:07 pm
by UOducksTK1
Lee wasn't so hot last year, but I'm sure he's still capable of a 18 win season.

Ms doing work!

Re: cliff lee

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:38 am
by alabamaduck
Wasn't so hot last season, are you kidding me? The only numbers that don't look great are his Wins and Losses and that's because he spent most of the season with the Indians who were awful. I'll take a 3.22 era, 4.2 -1 k/bb ratio and a WHIP of 1.2 and 230 innings with 2/3 of your season spent in the American Leauge any day.

Great move by the M's!

Re: cliff lee

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:21 pm
by UOducksTK1
alabamaduck wrote:Wasn't so hot last season, are you kidding me? The only numbers that don't look great are his Wins and Losses and that's because he spent most of the season with the Indians who were awful. I'll take a 3.22 era, 4.2 -1 k/bb ratio and a WHIP of 1.2 and 230 innings with 2/3 of your season spent in the American Leauge any day.

Great move by the M's!
ERA wise, yes. But he had 14 losses last year. M's need wins, not great stats.

Re: cliff lee

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:52 pm
by duckgrad99
Ichiro and Figgins, Hernandez and Lee. That's a pretty good 1/2 pitching and hitting combo.

Re: cliff lee

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:59 pm
by Tray Dub
UOducksTK1 wrote:
alabamaduck wrote:Wasn't so hot last season, are you kidding me? The only numbers that don't look great are his Wins and Losses and that's because he spent most of the season with the Indians who were awful. I'll take a 3.22 era, 4.2 -1 k/bb ratio and a WHIP of 1.2 and 230 innings with 2/3 of your season spent in the American Leauge any day.

Great move by the M's!
ERA wise, yes. But he had 14 losses last year. M's need wins, not great stats.
A pitcher's wins are one of the most misleading stats in sports. He has literally no control over the offense. It would be like blaming LMJ or Masoli for the Stanford loss, even though we only lost because Stanford ran all over our defense.

Re: cliff lee

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:40 pm
by UOducksTK1
Tray Dub wrote:
UOducksTK1 wrote:
alabamaduck wrote:Wasn't so hot last season, are you kidding me? The only numbers that don't look great are his Wins and Losses and that's because he spent most of the season with the Indians who were awful. I'll take a 3.22 era, 4.2 -1 k/bb ratio and a WHIP of 1.2 and 230 innings with 2/3 of your season spent in the American Leauge any day.

Great move by the M's!
ERA wise, yes. But he had 14 losses last year. M's need wins, not great stats.
A pitcher's wins are one of the most misleading stats in sports. He has literally no control over the offense. It would be like blaming LMJ or Masoli for the Stanford loss, even though we only lost because Stanford ran all over our defense.
I'm trying to tOSU logic, and it's not working so far.

So, yes you're right.