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Take a look at the Rivals Freshman All-American team (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/conte ... ID=1164970) and notice the number of stars each received out of high school. I realize many blue chip players choose elite programs and must 'wait their turn' but it is interesting the AA team has more 2 star than 5 star players, and more ranked 3 star than 4 star.

Anyone else irked that Josh Huff is nowhere on any of these newcomer/freshmen lists?

They list Sentrel Henderson on the 2nd team offense. Didn't he sit out this year after transferring from USC?

Nice work Rivals.

There is a lot more 2-4 star players than five stars. And i believe Sentrel was released from his scholarship before he even got to usc so it wasn't considered a normal transfer.

Hoagduck wrote:Anyone else irked that Josh Huff is nowhere on any of these newcomer/freshmen lists?

I think Huff's got as much talent and potential as a lot of these guys listed, but he wasn't utilized nearly as much as the others.

hualalai06 wrote:They list Sentrel Henderson on the 2nd team offense. Didn't he sit out this year after transferring from USC?

Nice work Rivals.

He was eligible immediately due to the sanctions.

Nice work huala.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/03/1 ... mpact.html

bellsduck wrote:

Hoagduck wrote:Anyone else irked that Josh Huff is nowhere on any of these newcomer/freshmen lists?

I think Huff's got as much talent and potential as a lot of these guys listed, but he wasn't utilized nearly as much as the others.

Yeah pretty much my thoughts as well. The talent is clearly there, and for only being a freshman he has some big time potential. But his stats aren't overly impressive.

I'm sure next year will be a big year for him, and he'll start getting a lot more attention.

maxduck wrote:Take a look at the Rivals Freshman All-American team (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/conte ... ID=1164970) and notice the number of stars each received out of high school. I realize many blue chip players choose elite programs and must 'wait their turn' but it is interesting the AA team has more 2 star than 5 star players, and more ranked 3 star than 4 star.

There just isn't that much distance between a 3 and 5 star rating.

wheaton4prez wrote:

maxduck wrote:Take a look at the Rivals Freshman All-American team (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/conte ... ID=1164970) and notice the number of stars each received out of high school. I realize many blue chip players choose elite programs and must 'wait their turn' but it is interesting the AA team has more 2 star than 5 star players, and more ranked 3 star than 4 star.

There just isn't that much distance between a 3 and 5 star rating.

Generally, yes there is.

Reggie Bush, Percy Harvin, Adrian Peterson, Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Da'Quan Bowers, Patrick Peterson, Vontaze Burfict, Vince Young,
Haloti Ngata, Ted Ginn Jr., Rey Maualuga, Mark Sanchez, Jonathan Stewart, DeSean Jackson, Darren McFadden, Chris Wells, C.J. Spiller, Taylor Mays, Brandon Spikes, Eric Berry, Ryan Mallet, etc, etc, etc. The list goes on and on. Yes, there are 3* prospects that turn out to be great, but not nearly at the ratio that 5* prospects do. In fact, looking at the above list, generally, the most dynamic players in the nation at any given time were or are 5* recruits.

With that said, I believe the recruiting services predictions are better served for the collegiate game as opposed to the pro game.

Bumi wrote:

wheaton4prez wrote:

maxduck wrote:Take a look at the Rivals Freshman All-American team (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/conte ... ID=1164970) and notice the number of stars each received out of high school. I realize many blue chip players choose elite programs and must 'wait their turn' but it is interesting the AA team has more 2 star than 5 star players, and more ranked 3 star than 4 star.

There just isn't that much distance between a 3 and 5 star rating.

Generally, yes there is.

Reggie Bush, Percy Harvin, Adrian Peterson, Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Da'Quan Bowers, Patrick Peterson, Vontaze Burfict, Vince Young,
Haloti Ngata, Ted Ginn Jr., Rey Maualuga, Mark Sanchez, Jonathan Stewart, DeSean Jackson, Darren McFadden, Chris Wells, C.J. Spiller, Taylor Mays, Brandon Spikes, Eric Berry, Ryan Mallet, etc, etc, etc. The list goes on and on. Yes, there are 3* prospects that turn out to be great, but not nearly at the ratio that 5* prospects do. In fact, looking at the above list, generally, the most dynamic players in the nation at any given time were or are 5* recruits.

With that said, I believe the recruiting services predictions are better served for the collegiate game as opposed to the pro game.

On the other hand, if you look at the ten players who were named unanimous All-Americans this year 70% of them were rated 3 star by Rivals.

maxduck wrote:

Bumi wrote:

wheaton4prez wrote:

maxduck wrote:Take a look at the Rivals Freshman All-American team (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/conte ... ID=1164970) and notice the number of stars each received out of high school. I realize many blue chip players choose elite programs and must 'wait their turn' but it is interesting the AA team has more 2 star than 5 star players, and more ranked 3 star than 4 star.

There just isn't that much distance between a 3 and 5 star rating.

Generally, yes there is.

Reggie Bush, Percy Harvin, Adrian Peterson, Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Da'Quan Bowers, Patrick Peterson, Vontaze Burfict, Vince Young,
Haloti Ngata, Ted Ginn Jr., Rey Maualuga, Mark Sanchez, Jonathan Stewart, DeSean Jackson, Darren McFadden, Chris Wells, C.J. Spiller, Taylor Mays, Brandon Spikes, Eric Berry, Ryan Mallet, etc, etc, etc. The list goes on and on. Yes, there are 3* prospects that turn out to be great, but not nearly at the ratio that 5* prospects do. In fact, looking at the above list, generally, the most dynamic players in the nation at any given time were or are 5* recruits.

With that said, I believe the recruiting services predictions are better served for the collegiate game as opposed to the pro game.

On the other hand, if you look at the ten players who were named unanimous All-Americans this year 70% of them were rated 3 star by Rivals.

Two things.

1. There are a lot more 3 star prospects than their are 5 star prospects.

2. The All American list, for the most part, is composed of upperclassmen. There are tons of 5*(and high 4's for that matter) that declare early for the draft.

And yet the top two RB the last 2 years where both 3* in Engram and James.

There are not too many players rated as 5* out of high school but those that are 5* generally end up being really good whereas there are a ton of 3* players and less than half end up being great but it comes down to more than talent, coaching and player development is big, look at what Oregon, Oregon State, Boise State, TCU, Utah, etc. have done with 2-3* talent in college and preparation for the NFL. In recent years Oregon, Oregon State, Utah have put quite a few players in the NFL with most of those players having success.

buckmarkduck wrote:And yet the top two RB the last 2 years where both 3* in Engram and James.

Mark Ingram and LaMichael James were both 4*'s on rivals.

Bumi wrote:

maxduck wrote:

Bumi wrote:

wheaton4prez wrote:

maxduck wrote:Take a look at the Rivals Freshman All-American team (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/conte ... ID=1164970) and notice the number of stars each received out of high school. I realize many blue chip players choose elite programs and must 'wait their turn' but it is interesting the AA team has more 2 star than 5 star players, and more ranked 3 star than 4 star.

There just isn't that much distance between a 3 and 5 star rating.

Generally, yes there is.

Reggie Bush, Percy Harvin, Adrian Peterson, Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Da'Quan Bowers, Patrick Peterson, Vontaze Burfict, Vince Young,
Haloti Ngata, Ted Ginn Jr., Rey Maualuga, Mark Sanchez, Jonathan Stewart, DeSean Jackson, Darren McFadden, Chris Wells, C.J. Spiller, Taylor Mays, Brandon Spikes, Eric Berry, Ryan Mallet, etc, etc, etc. The list goes on and on. Yes, there are 3* prospects that turn out to be great, but not nearly at the ratio that 5* prospects do. In fact, looking at the above list, generally, the most dynamic players in the nation at any given time were or are 5* recruits.

With that said, I believe the recruiting services predictions are better served for the collegiate game as opposed to the pro game.

On the other hand, if you look at the ten players who were named unanimous All-Americans this year 70% of them were rated 3 star by Rivals.

Two things.

1. There are a lot more 3 star prospects than their are 5 star prospects.

2. The All American list, for the most part, is composed of upperclassmen. There are tons of 5*(and high 4's for that matter) that declare early for the draft.

Since the NFL requires at least three years of college I'm not sure how you are defining 'upperclassmen'.