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Coach AZZ is a great coach but as a recruiter not so much. Maybe it's his gruff appearance or personality, don't know but seems like we need a new D-line recruiter.
Tosh Lupoi is amazing to be able to get that much D-line talent. Unbelievable !!
Wish he'd go get a head coaching job somewhere on the east coast.

Bigducker wrote:Coach AZZ is a great coach but as a recruiter not so much. Maybe it's his gruff appearance or personality, don't know but seems like we need a new D-line recruiter.
Tosh Lupoi is amazing to be able to get that much D-line talent. Unbelievable !!
Wish he'd go get a head coaching job somewhere on the east coast.

Our problem is NOT in getting DT's, I don't know how many times this needs to be pointed out. Our problem has been getting DT's that are eligible. I am so tired of reading how everybody thinks Cal/Tosh are the best recruiters the world has ever seen - they're not. Cal is the only team in this conf that runs a true 34. For any player that wants to play in a 34, there is only 1 choice in this conference - Cal. If Oregon were to tell a kid "sure, we'll let you play a 5 technique End" it would be a lie. Much like we get kids that want to play in our offensive system, Cal gets kids who want to play in their defensive system.

Duck07 wrote:

Bigducker wrote:Coach AZZ is a great coach but as a recruiter not so much. Maybe it's his gruff appearance or personality, don't know but seems like we need a new D-line recruiter.
Tosh Lupoi is amazing to be able to get that much D-line talent. Unbelievable !!
Wish he'd go get a head coaching job somewhere on the east coast.

Our problem is NOT in getting DT's, I don't know how many times this needs to be pointed out. Our problem has been getting DT's that are eligible. I am so tired of reading how everybody thinks Cal/Tosh are the best recruiters the world has ever seen - they're not. Cal is the only team in this conf that runs a true 34. For any player that wants to play in a 34, there is only 1 choice in this conference - Cal. If Oregon were to tell a kid "sure, we'll let you play a 5 technique End" it would be a lie. Much like we get kids that want to play in our offensive system, Cal gets kids who want to play in their defensive system.

WRONG !! If Lupoi is not there they probably don't get even half of those players... Period!
I can't tell you how many times i've read how recruits rave about how much they like Lupoi. If you don't believe Lupoi doesn't have a huge hand in getting these recruits I've got a used car I'd like to sell you. The top recruiters in the country get the best recruits. Just like the top salesman make the most money ! Doesn't matter what scheme they have, It's how and what they tell kids.

Great salemen will listen to what the customer wants and then sell them what he wants !

Not wrong. If kids want to play in the NFL on the DL these days, it sure helps if you play in a system that they use in the league. There are fewer and fewer 43s in the league every year.

It really makes for an easier sell. Add to that the fact they've put a couple guys in the league recently and it gets easier.

Sure Tosh is good at connecting with the kids. Nobody said he wasn't.

It was said that Oregon can recruit DL's just fine, they just haven't qualified. Wasn't it Coach Gray who lost his job because of it happening over and over.

How many 4-5 star DTs commited and failed to qualify over the last several years starting with Miles Wade? 3 or 4 I think, maybe more.

The point is that if all of those guys had made it into school, this wouldn't be a topic of discussion because we would be loaded.

ncduck wrote:Not wrong. If kids want to play in the NFL on the DL these days, it sure helps if you play in a system that they use in the league. There are fewer and fewer 43s in the league every year.

It really makes for an easier sell. Add to that the fact they've put a couple guys in the league recently and it gets easier.

Sure Tosh is good at connecting with the kids. Nobody said he wasn't.

It was said that Oregon can recruit DL's just fine, they just haven't qualified. Wasn't it Coach Gray who lost his job because of it happening over and over.

How many 4-5 star DTs commited and failed to qualify over the last several years starting with Miles Wade? 3 or 4 I think, maybe more.

The point is that if all of those guys had made it into school, this wouldn't be a topic of discussion because we would be loaded.

The Ducks DO play a 34 defense, a lot in case you didn't know it.

The Ducks are going after basically the same DT's ... Who's getting them ?

Agree in a 4-3 we would have never had Rowe in coverage that much. Maybe once or twice but he was back their a lot, and he needs to work on it because his only chance in the NFL is as a 3-4 OLB.

Bigducker wrote:

ncduck wrote:Not wrong. If kids want to play in the NFL on the DL these days, it sure helps if you play in a system that they use in the league. There are fewer and fewer 43s in the league every year.

It really makes for an easier sell. Add to that the fact they've put a couple guys in the league recently and it gets easier.

Sure Tosh is good at connecting with the kids. Nobody said he wasn't.

It was said that Oregon can recruit DL's just fine, they just haven't qualified. Wasn't it Coach Gray who lost his job because of it happening over and over.

How many 4-5 star DTs commited and failed to qualify over the last several years starting with Miles Wade? 3 or 4 I think, maybe more.

The point is that if all of those guys had made it into school, this wouldn't be a topic of discussion because we would be loaded.

The Ducks DO play a 34 defense, a lot in case you didn't know it.

The Ducks are going after basically the same DT's ... Who's getting them ?

Seriously, if you're trying to argue our use of a drop-end to employing a base 34, well, then its no wonder you didn't understand my first post. If Tosh isn't there, then they have another DL coach who has a specific system he can sell to kids. As far as where these kids want to go and where they choose, again, if a guy is determined to play NT in the 34 (Moala),the 5 technique end, the Rush LB, etc - we can't offer that because its not our system. NA's "system" is a hodge podge of multiple schemes taken from Dick LeBeau to Nick Satan, he doesn't excel at any one thing and as such, he can't sell his defense like Clancy is able to.

pssst. scarlett didn't have a scholie offer from us so um...he couldn't verbal to us. shocking!

What duck07 said. If we have DTs qualifying, its the strength of our defense. Azz is a fine recruiter, he may not be a snake oil saleman like slick rick or ed orgeron but he's been doing a great job so far.

This is one of those times when one person clearly knows what they're talking about and the other doesn't. Let it go Bigducker. You aren't the expert on recruiting you seem to be trying to come across as.

Tray Dub wrote:This is one of those times when one person clearly knows what they're talking about and the other doesn't. Let it go Bigducker. You aren't the expert on recruiting you seem to be trying to come across as.

I never insinuated that I was an expert on recruiting .....What I've been trying to get across is that Lupoi is !

Dont forget Tony Celloto...he would have been a bigtime player for us by now had he stuck around. We've had Piss poor luck with DT's...I think that changes....this year.

Anyone that suggests they know what kind of recruiter Azz is after 1.8ish cycles is basically an idiot. And all of the Tosh talk is silly - he's young and relatable and makes friends with kids quickly. I don't think that makes him particularly skilled, rather kids just like him.

From what I could see from this year Hart, Heimuli and Wade K. all looked good for being freshman. Even as T-Fr or RS-Fr theses kids at 18-19 going against 22-23 yo and there is a big growth in just those few years of strength and technique. Look at Fariley last year he was very avg, and this year he became the top DL in the country. It takes time to get use to going against guys your own size and not just being able to push around 230-250 OL in HS. It also takes a few years to lose some of the baby fat and turn it into muscle.

We already have 1 4* coming in who I think can contribute right away, now we just need 1-2 HS players to come in and provide depth form next year and the future.

If you dont think Tosh is a better recruiter than Azz then you dont know what you are talking about. But that doesnt mean that Azz is not a good recruiter, because he is. Lets wait until NSD until we judge him. Azz has done wonders with a bare cupboard.